CA Gov signs Right to Die bill...

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  1. I went through a similar ordeal and had three kids involved so I know what it's like. I still don't see the comparison.
  2. Think of it this way....emotional pain can be just as painful as physical pain. Many people cut or self multilate due to needing to see a release of the pain. Because they have not been assured that the pain is the same, and just as real
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  3. As i agree with what you surely does open the door for the devil to do a lot more damage.
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  4. What does God say about how we can minister to the sick among us?
  5. In my opinion and from what God has shown me in the Word....the choice to live or die and how long is in our hands in many ways. God has given thst authority via the tongue (life and death are in the power of the tongue.... Proverbs 18:21 and choose life or death Deut. 30:19-20)
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  6. Absolutely. We have such power, but God ultimately has a plan for every human life...from beginning to end.
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  7. #167 Cturtle, Oct 28, 2015
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    Very true, but if we choose not to align our lives with that plan God cannot intervene because He put the authority in our hands. He can nudge us or prompt us (which He will do as long as possible)....but if we close our ears to the truth and to His voice eventually we cannot hear His promptings and what He wants no longer has any bearing on what we choose to do.
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  8. Ultimately, He has our days numbered.
  9. Yup :) you are right

    Genesis 6:3
    And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
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  10. In my thoughts this is where wonderful people like you come in. God is pouring out His spirit and power upon the earth like never before. And as we are ready to pray and obey God, then He can work through us to fully heal someone who is terminally ill. There is a lady who is a nurse on another forum, where i sometimes go...that several times God has used her to pray over someone and they are healed.

    As you are prepared by God to pray in faith for those whom you come in contact can be making a difference. As you are listening to the Holy Spirit, then He can use you to be His hands and mouthpiece in this earth. The same spirit that was in Jesus is in you and when God shines and works through you then His healing power can do what nohing else can do. Just something to pray about
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  11. I know you have experienced pain due to your mom's illness. And for that i can feel your pain.... But in this post it seems to me as if you are putting more weight in the disease instead of God's power and ability to go beyond medical science and heal those who are terminally ill.

    I really have the utmost respect for you and i mean no disrespect, and am not intending to cause you more pain! I just am wondering if you have tried to find Scriptures to comfort you so as to explain why things went the way that they did with your mom. It sounds like she was a strong and godly woman, whom the devil afflicted with something that took her from this earth prior to her time.

    Faith in God's ability to heal and stay true to His Word is only a part of what can renew the body. The other part is renewing the mind and spirit with God's Word, speaking the Word, and hearing. Many people who were diagnoised with terminal illness are still alive today because of the Word of God and its power to heal.

    Please forgive me if i incorrectly stated anything or caused you more pain. I just believe that God wanted to give you some hings to think about

    Blessings of grace and peace be yours in abundance
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  12. Kind of like in Nehemiah's time and rebuilding the wall around Jerusalem. There was much to be done so they each did their part in front of them. Same with us. There are many "lost sheep" and if we can be where God has ordained for us to be and be about His business (whatever it is He is asking of us) then everything that God wants done will get done. And nothing will be undone. It's so important to be where we are supposed to be and doing what God has for us so that those whom God has destined to cross our path in a divine apointment, will be ministered to in the way that He has desired. If we don't obey then He has to prepare someone else and then we stand before Him in judgment for our lack of obedience.
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  13. Let me ask you a question....was there anytime when if you were to give up those fleshly desires that it would have been very difficult? Maybe think of the believer who is doing things that they know is wrong before God, and it can be something like lying or even just getting angry. Those sins which so easily beset us. How difficult do you suppose it is for them to resist the temptation of the flesh? To them it is an area that they have not gotten under submission of the Word and can be excruciatingly difficult to resist. It may be easy for you because you have reached that point where your flesh is under control, and God's Word is more important..... but to them it could be as difficult as being beheaded for their faith in Jesus. What we have been freed from because of our obedience to the Word of God, is like being chained up or in prison. Because it still has them bound.

    Different times and places govern the severity of the resistence.
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  14. In my opinion each one of us has much to do and if we are taken prior to our time then those whom God had devinely apointed for us to interact with would possible parish, or live a life other than God intended, or desired. This life is not about us, its about being about the Father's business. And if we selfishly give up, then we cannot fulfill God's desired purpose.
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  15. Grant you have to put yourself in God's shoes to understand this. He gave us brains. If we don't use them He has to step in / or let us suffer a bit (step in partially to learn a lesson).

    It is His will that we live by faith and not by sight. Think about that. When God does a miracle / sign or wonder it causes us to walk by sight. Hence you / we have to grasp that God rather wants us to go to doctors / use our brains over Him doing anything miraculous.

    If we havn't got the common sense to end a persons life before they swallow their tongue (like with the ebola), then God has to either 1. Step in 100% or 2. Step in partially. Now the saved do have this hope in God. I am not disputing that. But the unsaved, I am just not too sure how much God will help them.

    There is absolutely nothing wrong with this bill. It is evidence of rational thought / using impeccable logic. God is for us using our minds. Paul's teaching is '''full'' of us using our minds for judgment on all issues.

    It is not the end of the world to pass the buck to God all the time. So I am not going to insult or mock anyone here opposing this bill. But we just have to understand that it is very likely simply evidence of being too '''faithy'' vs realistic. God is not against us being realistic!!!!! That is what is so frustrating to communicate with some members here :ROFLMAO:.

    It is common sense to put a dog out of its misery if it is suffering and cannot be helped. It is the same with humans. God wouldn't have to miraculosuly step in if we used our God given brains. God prefers we use our brains. God can work with that more then the opposite.
  16. No. Nobody was destined for hell because of the fall. Earth / out of Eden was death / the punishment for sin.

    God has the brains to grasp that having sin does not eqaul loving it.
  17. What do you say to those who jumped out of the window in 9/11 to escape being burnt alive?
  18. Now that is common sense :giggle: (y).
  19. #179 Grant Melville, Oct 28, 2015
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    In 2 Corinthians 12:9, weakness clearly means bodily weakness - because it couldn't be said to be spiritual weakness or moral weakness with Paul. Paul was, of course, not perfect, but he was certainly marked by spiritual energy.

    It's dangerous (to say the least) for us to pursue our own ideas and try to make scripture conform to them. We have to take scripture at what it plainly says, and let the word form our thoughts, not the other way round. In 1 Peter 2:24, the healing spoken of is moral and spiritual, not physical, otherwise every believer would be maintained in perfect physical health and fitness perpetually.
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  20. Yet persecution is not a weakness. Paul says, "Wherefore I take pleasure weaknesses, in insults, in necessities, in persecutions, in straits..." The thorn was a weakness, not persecution - and would persecution prevent Paul from being "exalted" (J.N.D.) or "becoming conceited" (NIV)?
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