CA Gov signs Right to Die bill...

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  1. the same as before...

    the same old way is not being questioned...

    it is the new way/concept that is put in into question... :
  2. Here is a long equation of concepts, an "Aquinas" concept, being raised in a Catholic : )

    Rights: Legal and Natural
    Legal = man made
    Natural = Universal, inalienable​

    Natural right is related to Natural Law
    Natural Law = what is good, what is evil, Man pursuit what is Good, avoid what is Evil.

    That is: Moral Law

    What is Moral Law: it is concerned with action, motive: what is in the heart…

    What is in the heart: Motive

    What motivates us that is “Good” it must coincide with “Virtue”

    Cardinal Virtues = common to the Secular world = Prudence, Justice, Temperance and Courage

    Christian Virtues = Faith, Hope and Charity…

    Thus: is TERMINALLY ILL has RIGHT to DIE….

    Man can give it = LEGAL RIGHT , but it is not necessarily a NATURAL RIGHT…

    Christian virtues: Faith, HOPE, Charity…

    Faith and HOPE: Will it give glory, honor to God?
  3. I really don't understand what you are saying. Could you elaborate?
  4. wow, interesting!
  5. Philippians 3:7-14 But whatever gain I had, I counted as loss for the sake of Christ. Indeed, I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith— that I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, that by any means possible I may attain the resurrection from the dead. ...
  6. What is the message that I should take from this?
  7. Have you read Job . . .
  8. I, myself, have no opinion about this, I am looking for what God's opinion on it is, He cares how we view life, I want His perspective . . .
  9. Yes, in its entirety. I don't see how it applies here though.
  10. ok, I respect your opinion, in my mind it fits perfectly . . .
  11. It goes to the nature of our Father, His character and His belief in us on earth to discern what's going on around us and choose right not wrong
  12. The book of Job was not an illustration about people getting a terminal illness and suffering to death.

    It was a wager between God and Satan. The wager was to test Jobs faith. God allowed Satan to murder his family and servants, and to inflict horrible things upon Job.

    I don't see the parallel between this and someone's Grandmother suffering in her last days from cancer or some other horrible disease.
  13. i do
    Grant Melville and Euphemia say Amen and like this.
  14. So you think everyone should have to suffer unspeakable things?
  15. as to whether we have a right to kill ourselves because of unbearable pain and I've been there, Im still searching
  16. I don't know your situation and I certainly hope you are not in any pain now.

    I am not suggesting that people kill themselves every time they feel pain. I am saying that if someone is terminally ill and is going through unbearable pain, that they should have the right to end their life. It is inhumane to expect someone to be tormented in their last hours. Would you want a loved one of yours to have to go through that?
  17. I am trying to not look out on life like the world, I want to be a new creature in Christ, I want every second to be new, I don't want to think from a worldly way, but from the Kingdom of God where we really are. I care about this topic very deeply
  18. No, God doesn't want us in misery, but that is the lot is for many people because we live in a fallen world. You must not be blaming God for people's suffering. Put the blame squarely on where it belongs: Satan and sin.
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  19. Man doesn't do anything miraculous, sir. Your language was indeed man-focused over God-focused.

  20. Lauding the created over the Creator is a problem.
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