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  1. Is the care of the churches a messenger from Satan? I would say that it was a divine care, a responsibility carried for the Lord.
  2. ???? He knew how to aprropriate his healing????

    No. He knew how to ask God for help. He knew God was listening. He knew that good or bad, God is in control and he must be / will be able to be content. Phil 4:12 I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want.
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  3. Yes, quite so. What I was trying to bring out though, in reference to Matthew 10, is that the disciples were only to go to Israel - that was their commission. It was a specific commission. That's not to say that the principles displayed in that particular incident aren't general in their application, but we have to consider scripture in its context in order to fully get the gain of it.

    Oh, absolutely. I had to go through some long and painful exercises in relation to some of these things. However, those weren't sufferings for righteousness's sake, which is the character of suffering that Paul is considering in Romans 8:18. My struggles were with the flesh, which should result in the removal of something which hindered me and held me back - essentially these things are my fault, and I brought them on myself. Paul, on the other hand, suffered for the sake of the testimony, and many believers suffer likewise. That is the distinction I would make, and why I don't believe that Paul is talking about resisting the flesh in Romans 8:18.
  4. I don't believe that we can be taken prior to our time. The Lord Jesus has broken the power of death - it has no claim on the believer. He takes each one home to be with Himself.
  5. I can't possibly imagine what those people must have been feeling. I'm sure they wouldn't have had time to consider what to do, and jumping out of a window might have seemed to many, in the spur of the moment, the best thing to do to maximise survival. I wouldn't equate that sort of situation with that of a terminally ill person, who would have time to spend in prayer and meditation on the word of God.
  6. #186 KingJ, Oct 28, 2015
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    If we can spend peaceful time in prayer and meditation on the word of God, I agree 100% with you. I am imagining people who can't.

    Lets deal properly with their choice though. Even though it was spur of the moment. When they got to the window they knew it was death by option 1 (suicide) or death by option 2 (allow the fire to do its thing).

    If you were faced with that choice what would you choose? Suicide or fire?
  7. #187 Euphemia, Oct 28, 2015
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    The word affliction also means, "lack" or "inadequacy". It is not in reference to a physical ailment as it solely means today

    Paul ALREADY knew how to appropriate his healing, but God's promise of strength to endure was about his persecution for the huge revelation he had.

    The only trial God promises we will have and that He will not deliver us from is persecution. Healing is ours already in the atonement of Jesus.
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  8. #188 Euphemia, Oct 28, 2015
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    Yes, persecution kept him from being inordinately exalted by the crowds.
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  9. #189 Euphemia, Oct 28, 2015
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    He knew how to be in good health as well, praise God.
  10. Well, I really don't know what I'd choose, to be honest. I think I would only know if I was in that situation. But either way, the outcome would be the same in a few minutes.
  11. If we leave aside Paul's example, what are we to make of Timothy and Trophimus?
  12. He knew how to praise God in bad health too.
  13. Hi Cturtle, I was raised Roman Catholic, but I received Jesus as my savior in a Assemblies of God Church almost 40 years ago. I am not Catholic now. My mother believed in Jesus as her savior, but never searched the scriptures to find or even know what the Bible even said. Catholics just don't do that and they depend on their priest to enlighten them which is not something I would recommend to anyone. So, knowing what the Bible says about healing, and confessing it over her self was something she did not do. Having faith for healing is a must if one is to acquire this which is promised to us in the Word of God. My mother was a very strong headed person, and she did not like the fact I left the Catholic Church. :) I prayed many times that the Lord would have his way in my mothers life, and not to let her suffer as she had for many years. I know the Lord heals as he has kept me from sickness almost my entire Christian life. We can not force anyone to believe even if they are a Christian. There are many Christians who die before their time, because of not knowing and believing what Jesus did for us on his cross. It is very sad why this happens, when it does not have to happen.
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  14. Your faith can't help your mom?
  15. This is major cop out Euphemia.

    There are no sick around you? You have never attended a funeral?
  16. He never said he had to suffer sickness in all his writings surrounding his mission to proclaim Jesus Christ. He listed all his trials and not one of them was sickness.

    2 Corinthians 11 provides a list of Paul's trouble: not one is sickness!
    23Are they servants of Christ? I know I sound like a madman, but I have served him far more! I have worked harder, been put in prison more often, been whipped times without number, and faced death again and again. 24 Five different times the Jewish leaders gave me thirty-nine lashes. 25 Three times I was beaten with rods. Once I was stoned. Three times I was shipwrecked. Once I spent a whole night and a day adrift at sea. 26 I have traveled on many long journeys. I have faced danger from rivers and from robbers. I have faced danger from my own people, the Jews, as well as from the Gentiles. I have faced danger in the cities, in the deserts, and on the seas. And I have faced danger from men who claim to be believers but are not. 27 I have worked hard and long, enduring many sleepless nights. I have been hungry and thirsty and have often gone without food. I have shivered in the cold, without enough clothing to keep me warm.

    28 Then, besides all this, I have the daily burden of my concern for all the churches. 29 Who is weak without my feeling that weakness? Who is led astray, and I do not burn with anger?

    30 If I must boast, I would rather boast about the things that show how weak I am. 31 God, the Father of our Lord Jesus, who is worthy of eternal praise, knows I am not lying.

    2 Corinthians 12:10 also:
    That’s why I take pleasure in my weaknesses, and in the insults, hardships, persecutions, and troubles that I suffer for Christ. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
  17. As an ex-nurse I have to laugh at that!
  18. Only if she wanted me to which would have been an act of faith on her part.

    Jas 5:14.. Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
    Jas 5:15.. And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

    Everyone whom Jesus healed had to do something, by either stretching out their hand(s), or go somewhere, or say something, or getting up and walking. Their must be some kind of act of faith on their part to receive healing.
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  19. You said this:
    To which Asuk asked: 'How many times have you done this?'

    You then replied with
    And now you say
    I give up with you. Let me know when you actually read posts.
  20. #200 KingJ, Oct 28, 2015
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    Ok so your faith is 100% useless / irrelevant to helping anyone.

    Her reaching out in faith is everything. I agree. Glad we cleared that one up.

    Now the second issue is for you to understand that your mother cannot attend church every Sunday and not ever reach out to God.......She reaches out to God every single time she sings a hymn praising Him. We know she has touched Jesus because she attends church faithfully and she hates what is evil Rom 12:9.

    I don't think you realize how insane your claim to her not reaching out to Jesus is.
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