Brother Kenneth Copeland, what exactly

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by TheCurseOfTheRodain, Mar 8, 2015.

  1. So building off the Obama's remarks thread, Relentless specifically, what is it precisely that you say Kenneth Copeland contradicts in the Word of God? How about 1 or 2 specific examples.

    I shall start with what you said about the power of words is nonsense (paraphrase); Proverbs 18 v 21 (and also v 20) talk about how God put the power of life and death in our tongues, and we will eat the fruit of the words we speak. Jesus said someplace in Matthew that by our words are we either justified or condemned. Mark 11 v 23 says it is words that move the mountains. So those would be 3 examples of God telling us words are quite important. And I didn't write those Scriptures and neither did KC, but rather Jesus is the Author. David said over and over in the Psalms, I will say of the Lord, and then God is/would do/would give/would be whatever David had said. The Word says that at the word of Joshua the sun stood still and at the word of Elisha miracles were done. When you start to study it out there are myriad instances of God talking about our words and how they bring miracles, healing, victory, protection, etc.
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  2. Not to mention that no creating was done until God spoke words, and we are supposed to be imitators of God as dear children, and if He creates with words, and He says we can do what He does in imitation of Him (Jesus said we would), then we are supposed to be using words in faith in Him and His Word also, since His Word is His will. We don't just make up whatever (counterfeits are what the devil tries to put forth and shine a spotlight on so that people stay away from the real thing, but you still use money don't you, even though there are counterfeits? Same with healing, tongues, prosperity - we can't let the devil mislead some people and let that keep us away from the real thing), but rather what the Father says to us
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  3. Brother,
    I am sorry to say this but sister Relentless has left the forum. Perhaps she will return soon.
    Just thought I would tell you so you did not feel as if she was ignoring you.
    OBTW awesome post

  4. Isn't Kenneth Copeland the guys who said that you don't have God in you, but you ARE God? I'm pretty sure that was him
  5. I get confused between kenneth copeland and Kenneth hagin.

    I think one of them was into prosperity gospel big time, but repented. Not sure which one tho.
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  7. Oh sorry. Well it looks like relentless has left so she cant answer and I cant answer for her but the OP is not wrong, death and life are in the power of the tongue.

    When you have the holy spirit in you I think James asked why would you be cursing as well as blessing? Can salt water come out with fresh? Or something like that. So yes, be careful with what you say.

    I dont know those preachers personally, but think one of them wrote a lot of books thats all and made a name for himself. I do know it was tied into word of faith docrine though..but how far people take it can get into weird stuff like bless my wallet and multiply it kind of thing.
  8. No.
  9. I have listened to both of these men of God. Kenneth Hagin I consider one of the most anointed teachers of God in my life time. Kenneth Copeland is also a great man of God. I have had my doubts about both men at one time concerning some of their teachings, but I agree with almost every thing they have said. I have learned to take in what my heart tells me is of God, reject those things I don't.
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  10. Me too! I eat the meat and spit out the bones!
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  11. Uh, Yes.

    My first question would be, how can you just say 'No'? I mean, you can't possibly know everything that the man said, no one can, but you're POSITIVE he didn't say that. Well, uh, he most definitely did.

    This is from audiotape BBC-56 entitled 'The Force of Love'

    “You don’t have a God in you. You are one!” - Kenneth Copeland

    You can download 'The Force of Love' from their website and search for yourself.

    But, someone has already just saved the clip of him saying it right here:!.wav

    So, there you have it.
  12. ugh. it's those faith preachers who say faith is a force.
    Sorry, but that's wrong.
    the power of Positive thinking. Just saying it does not make it so or believe it you need to be living righteous and holy lives not just talking about it. I think some ppl try and make it a formula.
    Faith is in Jesus, not your own words.
    Faith in Jesus words, yes but not use Jesus as means to make yourself rich, which is what prosperity gospel preachers 'name and claim'.

    That is weird stuff coming out of american churches mostly because they so wealthy and chase after mammon. Their god is their belly.

    I do know that..a lot of stuff written by prosperity preachers in their books is made up. We are not to go after false teachers or even teachers who make big names for themselves.

    The anointed man of God is Jesus Christ. That is who we are listening to and follow.
    Nobody else can claim what He alone can do.
    You do not have any doubts about what Jesus says and you don't 'almost' agree with whatever Jesus says. And it is not just your heart tells you, because the heart can be wicked and deceitful. His spirit bears witness and there is evidence and confirmation that every Word from Him comes from the mouth of God and that is in scripture.
  13. Thanks for the heads up.
  14. Never heard that before and I have been hearing him and reading his stuff for about 3.5 years.
    Jesus made a similar remark to that though
  15. But the problem with all that is you dismiss Jesus' own words in Mark 11v23, where He says if you SAY and do not doubt, you will have whatsoever you say. Whatsoever covers a lot of ground. He also says by your words are you justified or condemned. They have to be faith words of course, but we all either speak words in faith in God's Word or crosswise of His Word (words like, I sure hope God heals me, or, I don't know how we'll make it this month, or, what else could go wrong, or, be lucky to live past 60 since my family history is............)
    Jesus didnt go around correcting everybody, He spoke the Truth and dint hold back. Myriads of people HATED Him (God Himself in the flesh!), I mean they HATED Him - they just wanted Him dead; some even saw Him raise Lazarus and thought we should go plot His death...the insanity of envy (because large crowds weren't following them...). And it was all because He spoke the Truth without apology.
    Tons of people tried to chuck Him off a cliff at His first public sermon. Just people are against something doesn't mean its false teaching.
    Try it against the Word, if God really IS pro-prosperity, like say for example how He says in His Word that HE DELIGHTS IN OUR PROSPERITY in Psalm 35 v 27, then we certainly better check ourselves against the Word and get in line with what God calls good.
    There are few things in the Word that God tells us gives Him pleasure, faith and prosperity are 2 that I can name, so why would Believers be anti-prosperity or anti-faith, for then they are saying they wish to deny God pleasure.
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  16. Additionally Lanolin, Jesus Himself said that Whosoever (which includes every Believer) believes on Him would do all the same works He did and even greater. We have to beware lest we become dried out and unbelieving about God's Word - who are we to correct God and tell Him He's wrong?
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  17. Jesus said we are gods, according to the Law anyway...He also says in His Word to "let this mind be in you that was in the Anointed One Jesus, Who thought it not robbery to be called equal with God..."

    So according to the Word God wants us thinking we are equal with Him. Shocking at first to think of, but that statement doesn't mean that you are God Himself, it means He has made you equal to Him in authority And price legend (you do have HIS Armor AND weapons, BLESSING, anointing, etc)

    If we took out your righteousness, faith, hope, love, joy, goodness, anointing, blessing, health, etc and put it on a table and then Jesus did the same and you both turned your backs and I switched them all around and asked you to tell me which ones are yours, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference because the Scriptures say that all of that stuff is actually God's own that He has given you freely as gifts. Righteousness in Isaiah 54 v 17 and Romans 5 v 17, Faith in Galatians 2 v 21 (I live by the faith OF the Son of God, not by), love (the love of God has been shed abroad in our hearts...), the blessing of Abraham/the Lord in Galatians 3 v 13,14, the anointing in 1 John 2, etc, etc.
    All summed up in 1 John 4 v 17
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  18. He didn't say what Lanolin said. You need to hear the full context and then come back and argue against this man of God. Gossip is a terrible thing that brings rancor and division. Do you really want to be a part of that?
  19. I'd rather be part of what's true. Rancor and division arises when someone challenges the truth, is proven wrong, and then accuses the OTHER person (who was spot on correct, I might add), of causing rancor and division.

    What I said was 100% true. What you said is 100% false. Those are facts. Now, if you'd like to download the audio from their website and come back and explain the context to me, fine. I'll listen, but I've heard him say enough other similar things in context that I'm confident he believes what he said.

    ME: Isn't Kenneth Copeland the guy who said that you don't have God in you, but you ARE God? I'm pretty sure that was him
    YOU: No.
    KENNETH COPELAND: 'You don't have a God in you, you ARE God'
  20. You would think the moderators of this site would end this thread the last time this blab it and grab it name it and claim prosperity heretic was worshiped here it got real ugly and I know of one that stood up against it is no longer here.

    This thread needs to go!
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