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Brexit - the meaning of.

Discussion in 'Events' started by Marilyn C, Jun 26, 2016.

  1. Brexit – the meaning of.

    These are my thoughts –

    In contemporary times three great power blocs have emerged.

    1. Great Britain (Lion) & USA (Eagle).

    2. The Russian Federation. (Bear)

    3. The European Union.
    These great powers arose one at a time & still operate as separate Political powers. The last power has not as yet gained its full Political authority. To do that Britain must be disconnected from the EU. Although Britain was never Politically joined to the EU it was a barrier to the EU`s ambitions of strong central control. Thus the uncoupling.

    This Brexit, I believe will lead to –

    1. The rich becoming richer & the poor, poorer.

    2. Britain will still have economic treaties with the EU.

    3. The EU central government will become the strong Political Power over all its other nation states. In effect each country of the EU will be forced to give over its sovereign rights.

    So what do you see?
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  2. I think the EU is being judged for it's attacks against Israel over its existence. The BrExit is just yet another step in that direction. The EU has attacked Israel and so God has sent Israel's enemies to the EU. The torrential rains that fell on south east England kept many of the "remain" folks from voting, was that an act of God? He knows. Greece's issues are about to become headlines again and now that the idea of going back to the "glory" days of nationalism is spreading, the rest of Europe has this new thought. Only time will tell what happens. With Russia growling, NATO cowering and the boarder countries begging to be let into the EU, time will tell what's to come. As the Chinese proverb says, "May you live in interesting times." I just say "Maranatha!" :)
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  3. I see the meaning of Brexit summed up in The Sydney Morning Herald's headline: Brexit a reaction to transnational rule, as well as EU.

    A few years ago, I began to become slightly familiar with the Transnational Capitalist Class, beginning with Edmund Berger's work Between the Transnational Capitalist Class and Global Civil Society: The Structures of Imperial Protocol.

  4. Hi @Abdicate,

    Interesting thoughts, though I wouldn`t go as far as saying `an act of God` as I don`t see this time as God judging nations. A few other nations against Israel would have had to be judged also.

    Yes people may want to go back to the `glory days of nationalism,` but that boat has been sunk I believe, as everyone wants the economic benefits of globalism. That is until the crunch comes of total control, ay.

    regards, Marilyn.
  5. Hi @ozarks,

    I read some of that article, thank you. Yes, the institutions that are behind the global infrastructure leading to a global government -

    - the CFR (Council for Foreign relations)
    - the Fabian Society
    - the Illuminate
    - the G7, G 20,
    - the various think tanks
    - the FSB (Financial stability Board)
    - the IMF (International Monetary Fund)
    - UN (United nations) connecting with a multitude of Civil, business & religious groups.

    etc, etc a web of deceit & control.

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  7. #7 Complete, Jun 28, 2016
    Last edited: Jun 28, 2016
    Hello @Marilyn C,

    Living in the UK, I know what Brexit is, (At this present moment at least) - which is, 'very uncomfortable and disconcerting'. :confused:

    I have not looked at the identities of the Lion, the eagle, the Bear, and 'the Beast'(?), although I have heard the EU spoken of in this capacity.

    Are you considering Daniel 7?

    What makes you believe that the identities of these figures are, Great Britain (Lion), USA (Eagle), Russia (Bear) and the EU (The Beast)? Sorry to be so ill informed on these things, but eschatology has been cast into the shade for me, by the knowledge of the dispensation of the mystery, which has been my preoccupation, in Christ Jesus.

    May God give illumination.

    In His Name

    Note: Forgive the use of large print, but I find the present size too small.
  8. Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold,
    the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.
    And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

    The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings:
    I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth,
    and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

    And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear,
    and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it:
    and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.

    After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard,
    which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl;
    the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

    After this I saw in the night visions,
    and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible,
    and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth:
    it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it:
    and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it;
    and it had ten horns.

    I considered the horns, and,
    behold, there came up among them another little horn,
    before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots:
    and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man,
    and a mouth speaking great things.

    I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit,
    Whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of His head like the pure wool:
    His throne was like the fiery flame, and His wheels as burning fire.
    A fiery stream issued and came forth from before Him:
    thousand thousands ministered unto Him,
    and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him:
    the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

    I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake:
    I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed,
    and given to the burning flame.
    As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away:
    yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.’
    (Daniel 7:2-12)
  9. I saw in the night visions, and, behold,
    one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven,
    and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought Him near before Him.
    And there was given Him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom,
    that all people, nations, and languages, should serve Him:
    His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away,
    and His kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

    I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body,
    and the visions of my head troubled me.
    I came near unto one of them that stood by,
    and asked him the truth of all this.
    So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things.

    These great beasts, which are four, are four kings,
    which shall arise out of the earth.

    But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom,
    and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

    Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast,
    which was diverse from all the others,
    exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass;
    which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;

    And of the ten horns that were in his head,
    and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell;
    even of that horn that had eyes,
    and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

    I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints,
    and prevailed against them;
    Until the Ancient of days came,
    and judgment was given to the saints of the most High;
    and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

    Thus he said,
    The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth,
    which shall be diverse from all kingdoms,
    and shall devour the whole earth,
    and shall tread it down,
    and break it in pieces.

    And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise:
    and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first,
    and he shall subdue three kings.
    And he shall speak great words against the most High,
    and shall wear out the saints of the most High,
    and think to change times and laws:
    and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

    But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion,
    to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
    And the kingdom and dominion,
    and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven,
    shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High,
    whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
    and all dominions shall serve and obey Him.

    Hitherto is the end of the matter.
    As for me Daniel, my cogitations much troubled me,
    and my countenance changed in me:
    but I kept the matter in my heart.’
    (Dan 7:13-28)
  10. You might be right, but the UK brought the gospel to the world, judgement starts in the house of God. 1 Peter 4:17
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  11. Hi @Abdicate,

    I agree that people in the UK helped bring the gospel to the world, however I would not say that the UK is the `house of God.` Believers all over the world, the Body of Christ is the `house of the Lord.`

    regards, Marilyn.
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  12. Hi @Complete,

    Interesting that you should bring up Daniel 7. I will post a thread on that soon for discussion. Probably would take this thread off topic too much. Also others may want to talk on Daniel 7 & may not realise it is in this thread.

    regards, Marilyn.
  13. Here are a few excerpts from an article by Michael Synder.

    If you believe that the Brexit vote is going to kill the idea of a "United States of Europe", you might want to think again. In fact, it appears that the decision by the British people to leave the European Union is only going to accelerate the process of creating an EU superstate.

    For a very long time, advocates of increased European integration have dreamed of going all the way and creating a true "United States of Europe", but Britain was always one of the stumbling blocks that stood in the way.

    But now that Britain is out and there is great fear that the entire European project may be in jeopardy, there seems to be a rush to go for broke and try to complete the job of European integration.

    The Express is one of the biggest news organizations in the UK, and they are reporting that the foreign ministers of France and Germany already have a blueprint "to effectively do away with individual member states"...

    The foreign ministers of France and Germany are due to reveal a blueprint to effectively do away with individual member states in what is being described as an "ultimatum".

    Under the radical proposals EU countries will lose the right to have their own army, criminal law, taxation system or central bank, with all those powers being transferred to Brussels.

    Controversially member states would also lose what few controls they have left over their own borders, including the procedure for admitting and relocating refugees.

    It is being reported that the following paragraph comes from the preamble to the document...

    "Our countries share a common destiny and a common set of values that give rise to an even closer union between our citizens. We will therefore strive for a political union in Europe and invite the next Europeans to participate in this venture."

    By Michael Synder.(end of the American dream blog. June 28, 2016)
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  14. Hi @Marilyn C,

    I would have thought it necessary to consider Daniel 7, as the identity of the fourth beast is under consideration.

    Why do you believe it is the EU? Why was it necessary for it's fulfillment for Britain to leave the EU?

    Would you please explain.

    Thank you
    In Christ Jesus
  15. Hi @Complete,

    The EU is the 3rd beast, not the 4th.

    Britain is a Political Power & will never come under the EU in that respect. They will continue to have economic treaties but will not amalgamate politically. Great Britain is a great power, while the EU is still forming its central control. Britain leaving the EU (economically) will hasten the centralising of power in the EU.

    regards, Marilyn.
  16. Thank you for correcting me, @Marilyn C, but why do you say that the EU is the third beast. What is the Scriptural criteria that it conforms to, to make it so?

    In Chris Jesus
  17. Hi @Complete,

    According to Daniel 7: 6 -

    ` After this I looked, & there was another, like a leopard, (3rd beast) which had on its back 4 wings of a bird. The beast also had 4 heads, & dominion was given to it.` (Daniel 7: 6)

    This beast arose after the lion with eagle wings & the bear. These great power blocs that we can readily see today. Firstly, Great Britain with America becoming separate, (lion with eagle`s wings plucked off) then Russia, (formerly the Soviet Union - the Bear), then the European Union. Each great power arose one at a time & continue all at the same time.

    Now the 3rd beast, (as I was taught & believe) is the European Union. However it didn`t start off till after WW2 when the Allies gave the founding members power & authority. The 4 heads denote this multiplicity of authority or government who have united for a common purpose. Daniel visualised this beast in its initial presentation. Six countries of Europe agreed to a commercial unity of purpose in a common market. However at the time of inauguration, three of these countries, Belgium, Netherlands & Luxembourg combined their representation & voting, into one affiliated entity called the `Benelux.` Thus the European Common Market commenced with exactly four authorities or `Heads,` France, Germany, Italy & Benelux. This was precisely as predicted.

    `dominion was given to it.` (Dan. 7: 6)

    How meticulous & precise the prediction of Daniel. Each of the foundation members of the European Common market was defeated & powerless at the conclusion of WW2. Authority as independent nations was granted by favour of the Allies ie. `Dominion was given to it.`

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  18. Very interesting,@Marilyn C, you have described it with the simplicity I needed to absorb it. I do thank you for your willingness to provide this detail. May God's will be done in all things, for His Name and glory's sake.

    Yes, indeed, the precision of God's Word in beyond words to express.

    In Christ Jesus
  19. Hi @Complete,

    Yes these things need time for us to think through. Also as I said I will do a thread in the Bible Study area so we can go through Daniel 7 slowly & carefully, sharing with each other.

    Blessings, Marilyn.
  20. Hi there.

    Much of Dan 7, like Dan 2, has already come to pass. In fact Dan 2 is the template for understanding Dan 7. Here is an image that helps grasp the concept. Blessings!


    In the feet, you have dividend Rome which some of it was comprised of what we call Europe today.

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