big bang theory and the black hole question

ok, so my husband of 19 yrs is not a christian and he asked me questions about God and satan and power. Then he said i should study the big bang and the black hole. He is very smart. But how do i respond to that. You guys are smart please help
Hello sister.. Based on your posts, I know you have lot more experience and wisdom than me :) so I will humbly give my 2 cents.. These discussions of whether God exists or not and big bang theory vs creation is all wonderful for debates. Does not really work out well in personal relationship. It is way more important to understand that you are trying to talk with your husband and personal connection is more important than winning a debate. Connect with him emotionally. There is going to be a reason and "why" for him to reject God. Understand that. And let him see the change in your life. More often that draws people to God. And remember, it is God who can bring can change in your husband's heart and not our wisdom. Personally, I would never engage in debates on big bang with close friends or relatives. I think a better way to evangelize with them is through personal connection. They should see how we are able to understand them and they need to realize we are for them and not against them. When we pray for them and God answers, all these debates are out of the window!! Sorry I am not talking about something else instead of answering your question. Thought of sharing my thoughts.
 
Hello sister.. Based on your posts, I know you have lot more experience and wisdom than me :) so I will humbly give my 2 cents.. These discussions of whether God exists or not and big bang theory vs creation is all wonderful for debates. Does not really work out well in personal relationship. It is way more important to understand that you are trying to talk with your husband and personal connection is more important than winning a debate. Connect with him emotionally. There is going to be a reason and "why" for him to reject God. Understand that. And let him see the change in your life. More often that draws people to God. And remember, it is God who can bring can change in your husband's heart and not our wisdom. Personally, I would never engage in debates on big bang with close friends or relatives. I think a better way to evangelize with them is through personal connection. They should see how we are able to understand them and they need to realize we are for them and not against them. When we pray for them and God answers, all these debates are out of the window!! Sorry I am not talking about something else instead of answering your question. Thought of sharing my thoughts.

Very true. In debates such as this, no-one is really listening to the 'other ' side. They tend to want to score points and 'win', rather than examine truth. It is only through showing the Lord through our love for the other that the real Christ can be seen by others.

The truth/falsity of these arguments are beside the point. Winning the argument will not save someone else. Neither will losing it. Whether you believe in some aspect of scientific teaching or not has little relation to your understanding of your need of Christ (and the need of others of Him), nor acceptance of His payment.

Knowing this, and not taking it as a personal affront if some brother or sister remains convinced of something that is in strong contrast with my own understanding (even if my understanding is really mis-understanding) allows me to continue to develop a personal relationship and understand the such things are on the periphery, not the core to the Christian life.
 
Einstein's general relativity is a mathematical model of gravity. It models spacetime as a four-dimensional manifold whose local curvature depends on the mass of objects near it. The moon orbits the earth because the earth's gravity bends the spacetime continuum. A black hole is a huge bend of the continuum so strong light cannot escape it.

The big bang is a hypothesis about the beginning of the observable universe supported by observations of our telescopes. It states that a quantum fluctuation gave rise to a rapid expansion, analogous to a nuclear bomb's fission reaction, of space and time.
 
Ironically, cosmologists actually resisted the "Big Bang Theory" for decades precisely because it seemed to point to God, compared to the "Steady State" theory of continuous creation that most cosmologists had previously accepted.

This is a different response from most, but let me point you to a man in scripture, the jailer in the city of Philippi:

...they seized Paul and Silas and dragged them into the marketplace to the authorities. Bringing them before the chief magistrates, they said, “These men are seriously disturbing our city. They are Jews and are promoting customs that are not legal for us as Romans to adopt or practice.”

Then the mob joined in the attack against them, and the chief magistrates stripped off their clothes and ordered them to be beaten with rods. After they had inflicted many blows on them, they threw them in jail, ordering the jailer to keep them securely guarded. Receiving such an order, he put them into the inner prison and secured their feet in the stocks.

About midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God, and the prisoners were listening to them. Suddenly there was such a violent earthquake that the foundations of the jail were shaken, and immediately all the doors were opened, and everyone’s chains came loose.
When the jailer woke up and saw the doors of the prison open, he drew his sword and was going to kill himself, since he thought the prisoners had escaped.

But Paul called out in a loud voice, “Don’t harm yourself, because all of us are here!”

Then the jailer called for lights, rushed in, and fell down trembling before Paul and Silas. Then he escorted them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”

So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.” Then they spoke the message of the Lord to him along with everyone in his house.

He took them the same hour of the night and washed their wounds. Right away he and all his family were baptized. He brought them into his house, set a meal before them, and rejoiced because he had believed God with his entire household.
-- Acts 16

The city of Philippi was a Roman empire colony city, specifically a city that had been populated by Roman soldiers 80 years before Paul and Silas's visit. Because it was a Roman colony city, it operated under the emperor's direct rule, and whatever decrees the emperor dictated for Rome, Philippi obeyed as well. This included the decree by Caesar Claudius in 49 AD to expel all Jews from the city (Acts 18:2). That is why when Paul and Silas arrived in about 51 AD, they found no Jewish synagogue in Philippi.

The jailer was likely a retired Roman legionary and the jail seems to have been part of his own estate. As a Roman citizen, the jailer had an extensive Graeco-Roman heritage and culture. He had religion, art, science, philosophy, music, theater. He had his own beliefs about the creation and nature of the world as well as the afterlife.

In his job as jailer, a proud Roman citizen in a city of old Roman soldiers, he had had only the briefest experience with the God of Abraham, probably no more than bigoted Roman gossip--"glad to have gotten rid of those unpatriotic monotheists."

But something was missing. He heard two men who should have been in the deepest despair--who should have been cursing the gods--instead praising their God. They had a joy and a peace he did not have. We can see this because his first action upon thinking they had been freed by an earthquake was to kill himself.

Think about this: He had an excellent excuse: "Sir, it's not my fault! Those men were freed by the gods themselves!" but his life was already so much on the edge of despair that he knew not even that would save him.

Even after he saw they had not taken their chance to escape and he was safe for the night from his own commander, he still wanted the peace they had. "What must I do to be saved?"

Paul and Silas did not launch into a study of theology. They did not try to convince him to believe in Genesis (which at best can make nobody any more than a Jew). They did not try to first dismantle his lifetime of Roman science and art. Instead they led him straight to Jesus, baptizing him within the same hour.

Seek to know Jesus first. When you know Jesus, you can defer the rest.

And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you. -- Philippians 3:5
 
Ironically, cosmologists actually resisted the "Big Bang Theory" for decades precisely because it seemed to point to God, compared to the "Steady State" theory of continuous creation that most cosmologists had previously accepted.

This is a different response from most, but let me point you to a man in scripture, the jailer in the city of Philippi:

...they seized Paul and Silas and dragged them into the marketplace to the authorities. Bringing them before the chief magistrates, they said, “These men are seriously disturbing our city. They are Jews and are promoting customs that are not legal for us as Romans to adopt or practice.”

Then the mob joined in the attack against them, and the chief magistrates stripped off their clothes and ordered them to be beaten with rods. After they had inflicted many blows on them, they threw them in jail, ordering the jailer to keep them securely guarded. Receiving such an order, he put them into the inner prison and secured their feet in the stocks.

About midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God, and the prisoners were listening to them. Suddenly there was such a violent earthquake that the foundations of the jail were shaken, and immediately all the doors were opened, and everyone’s chains came loose.
When the jailer woke up and saw the doors of the prison open, he drew his sword and was going to kill himself, since he thought the prisoners had escaped.

But Paul called out in a loud voice, “Don’t harm yourself, because all of us are here!”

Then the jailer called for lights, rushed in, and fell down trembling before Paul and Silas. Then he escorted them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”

So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.” Then they spoke the message of the Lord to him along with everyone in his house.

He took them the same hour of the night and washed their wounds. Right away he and all his family were baptized. He brought them into his house, set a meal before them, and rejoiced because he had believed God with his entire household.
-- Acts 16

The city of Philippi was a Roman empire colony city, specifically a city that had been populated by Roman soldiers 80 years before Paul and Silas's visit. Because it was a Roman colony city, it operated under the emperor's direct rule, and whatever decrees the emperor dictated for Rome, Philippi obeyed as well. This included the decree by Caesar Claudius in 49 AD to expel all Jews from the city (Acts 18:2). That is why when Paul and Silas arrived in about 51 AD, they found no Jewish synagogue in Philippi.

The jailer was likely a retired Roman legionary and the jail seems to have been part of his own estate. As a Roman citizen, the jailer had an extensive Graeco-Roman heritage and culture. He had religion, art, science, philosophy, music, theater. He had his own beliefs about the creation and nature of the world as well as the afterlife.

In his job as jailer, a proud Roman citizen in a city of old Roman soldiers, he had had only the briefest experience with the God of Abraham, probably no more than bigoted Roman gossip--"glad to have gotten rid of those unpatriotic monotheists."

But something was missing. He heard two men who should have been in the deepest despair--who should have been cursing the gods--instead praising their God. They had a joy and a peace he did not have. We can see this because his first action upon thinking they had been freed by an earthquake was to kill himself.

Think about this: He had an excellent excuse: "Sir, it's not my fault! Those men were freed by the gods themselves!" but his life was already so much on the edge of despair that he knew not even that would save him.

Even after he saw they had not taken their chance to escape and he was safe for the night from his own commander, he still wanted the peace they had. "What must I do to be saved?"

Paul and Silas did not launch into a study of theology. They did not try to convince him to believe in Genesis (which at best can make nobody any more than a Jew). They did not try to first dismantle his lifetime of Roman science and art. Instead they led him straight to Jesus, baptizing him within the same hour.

Seek to know Jesus first. When you know Jesus, you can defer the rest.

And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you. -- Philippians 3:5
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ok, so my husband of 19 yrs is not a christian and he asked me questions about God and satan and power. Then he said i should study the big bang and the black hole. He is very smart. But how do i respond to that. You guys are smart please help
Angel! I have a degree in applied science. The claims of scientists that they have disproven God are set on very, very thin theories. Most of the time, the evidence supports God, but the scientist doesn't.

There's an old joke about a scientist who walks up to God and says, "Look. We don't need you. We can cure any illness. Create infinite amounts of renewable energy. Survive any natural disaster, and even create people from dirt."

So God says, "Really? Show me how you can create people."

Then, the scientist bends over to grab a handful of earth, to which God responds, "No. Get your own dirt."

This is how Christians should look at science. We are created in His image. We have the desire to enjoy this earth, know more about it, and create. However, we do all of this within God's realm.

I encourage you to look at answersingenesis.org

This is a Christian website that addresses many difficult science questions. It has helped me tremendously. Good luck!
 
Also i wasn't trying to teach my husband because he is suppose to teach me and i know God is big enough to take care of him, but he ask me about God and satan, and power. So i was just trying to answer him. My understanding is all the power is in the air, satan knew that, so, he is there, if i'm wrong please say so. But also God gave us power to rule the earth, all our thoughts and what we say and hear is in the air and move and shapes the earth. Maybe i'm not saying it right, but i say this to my husband then he throws out the big bang theory and the black hole and says go study it. I said to him like only 5 minute later, "do you remember what i said about what you asked" he say "no". But i will go study . . .
You are correct in saying it's not your place to teach your husband. However, it is every Christian's place to provide an answer as to why they believe what they believe. It's not your place to nag, manipulate, and drag him to church. However, it is your place as a believer to know what you believe and share it whenever you are asked. Wives are still Christians first. We can't lay down all the other calls to serve Christ at the feet of our husbands and wait for their approval. You have Christ's permission and encouragement to spread the gospel.
 
You are correct in saying it's not your place to teach your husband. However, it is every Christian's place to provide an answer as to why they believe what they believe. It's not your place to nag, manipulate, and drag him to church. However, it is your place as a believer to know what you believe and share it whenever you are asked. Wives are still Christians first. We can't lay down all the other calls to serve Christ at the feet of our husbands and wait for their approval. You have Christ's permission and encouragement to spread the gospel.
thank you!
 
i was going to say what's going on but I will only say good things cuz lot's of strange things r happening, Love Jesus so much!
 
Einstein's general relativity is a mathematical model of gravity. It models spacetime as a four-dimensional manifold whose local curvature depends on the mass of objects near it. The moon orbits the earth because the earth's gravity bends the spacetime continuum. A black hole is a huge bend of the continuum so strong light cannot escape it.

The big bang is a hypothesis about the beginning of the observable universe supported by observations of our telescopes. It states that a quantum fluctuation gave rise to a rapid expansion, analogous to a nuclear bomb's fission reaction, of space and time.

The great problem I have with this theory is that God is light and in Him there is no darkness .
and the light shineth in the darkness and the darkness overcame it not.
To suggest that a dark hole will or can overcome light is as it is described or theorised contradicts scripture.This I will not accept. Nor do or will.
Either peoples idea of black holes are wrong , they do not exist as they are so prescribed or Einstein is wrong .
The so called big bang 'theory' is that what it describes is an explosion .I understand it used to be called the 'explosive theory' but that was unsustainable if only for the very simply reason that an explosion is destructive not creative .
So a 'BANG!' is now used to 'cover' what is not accaptable.
But I find it strange that professign christians will give more weight to the word and theories of man than they do to the Word of God .
For what this big BANG! theory does show that even "so called science" as Paul calls it has been forced, compelled driven and led by the force of their own logic to arrive at the conclusion that all things started from one point.
Given the limitations of man to see not much further than his nose and the omniSCIENCE of God .
It is therefore a wonder that when it boils down to it men will believe men rather than God.
in I John he speaks of "ye fathers ye know Him who is from the beginning"
How on earth can any man know He who is from the beginning that is to say the Creator when men do not believe what the Creator said how he created all things . But men will rather believe an event that not only denies the laws of physics but also the presence of God.?

When Jesus said to the man sick with the palsy "son thy sins are forgiven thee" he was believed.
Why then should not the man also believe when the lord said after "take up thy bed and walk"
How is it then men will believe God as to the Salvation of their souls but do not believe the Lord God as to the creation of the "heaven and the earth"?
Galileo was rejected because and threatened with death because refuted the man centered universe as prescribed by the religionists of the day .
For to have the sun revolve around the earth is a man centered universe .
A big bang theory is also a man centered universe where man attempts to understand what can only be understood by faith . "For we KNOW by faith says Paul that the worlds were created ....................."
Faith sees far better and much further than any telescope or mind of man .For ti can see into the distant past as well as the coming future .
It can see before the foundations of the world as it can also see a new heaven and a new earth.
IF we believed Him who inspired men to write what was written.


in Christ
gerald
 
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You are correct in saying it's not your place to teach your husband. However, it is every Christian's place to provide an answer as to why they believe what they believe. It's not your place to nag, manipulate, and drag him to church. However, it is your place as a believer to know what you believe and share it whenever you are asked. Wives are still Christians first. We can't lay down all the other calls to serve Christ at the feet of our husbands and wait for their approval. You have Christ's permission and encouragement to spread the gospel.

It is not the place of a christian to explain everything and answer every question.
the first reason being that Jesus did not answer every question of every unbeliever.
and what we see Jesus do that we must also do .
Even as he did that which he saw the father do .
What the christian married to an unbeliever is to LIVE in such a way that it may well get them converted.
they can give an account of the hope that lieth with in them. Who is Christ .
"For it si Christ in you the hope of glory"
But we are not debtors to the flesh that we have to answer every foolish question or one founded upon unbelief to start with or lacking in understanding.
Men and by that also the devil will use our ignorance to make them look smart . By asking questions they THINK they know the answer to or hope it will be a defense against obeying the gospel and the call and drawing of God .

In Christ
gerald
 
You are correct in saying it's not your place to teach your husband. However, it is every Christian's place to provide an answer as to why they believe what they believe. It's not your place to nag, manipulate, and drag him to church. However, it is your place as a believer to know what you believe and share it whenever you are asked. Wives are still Christians first. We can't lay down all the other calls to serve Christ at the feet of our husbands and wait for their approval. You have Christ's permission and encouragement to spread the gospel.

Let's keep in mind that "why we believe" is a different thing from "what we believe."

What we believe is the gospel; why we believe is our personal testimony.

Evangelism is telling people what Jesus did for them; witnessing is telling people what Jesus did for you.
 
Let's keep in mind that "why we believe" is a different thing from "what we believe."

What we believe is the gospel; why we believe is our personal testimony.

Evangelism is telling people what Jesus did for them; witnessing is telling people what Jesus did for you.

In part perhaps but I think is more akin to the moon ,that when it still shines in the darkest night it bares witness to the fact that the sun still shines and there is coming a perfect day .
Bad news for those w ho love darkness more than the light .
Good news for those who seek and want the light and others who have come to love the light .
There is of course coming an hour when the moon does not shine at all . That is the night when no man can work.
That day is soon aproaching .
and if God did not shorten the days no man would be saved .

in Christ
gerald
 
All good points. However, I was simply saying that although a woman should not take a place of leadership spiritually over her husband, Christians are called to give a defense when asked. And if her husband asks a question, it's not wrong to answer. That's not really teaching.
 
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