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Are we all evil ?

Discussion in 'Bible Study' started by heydave, Sep 19, 2007.

  1. heydave

    heydave New Member

    Are we all evil ?

    New American Standard Bible (NASB)
    "If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give what is good to those who ask Him! "

    >>>>>>><<<<<<<

    Are we all declared evil ?
  2. violet

    violet Inactive

    He is speaking to the sinner~
    What we would first ask and receive of Christ would be salvation.

  3. heydave

    heydave New Member

    I disagree

    WE ARE ALL SINNERS, saved by grace.

    I disagree with you.

    We do not become "instantly pure holy and sinless when we are saved".

    We still have evil thoughts and still sin.

    Sinners saved by grace.

    dave :)
  4. violet

    violet Inactive

    No one is sinless but when we receive salvation we are not evil!
  5. RichardS

    RichardS New Member

    As I see it, We may be Saved, But our hearts still desire Sin. Our hearts are still evil.
  6. heydave

    heydave New Member

    You are partly correct !

    I have reconsidered your statemint and have chosen to agree with you.

    He was talking to sinners and WE ARE ALL SINNERS !!!

    Consider what JESUS said in >>>

    Mark 10 (New American Standard Bible)

    17As He was setting out on a journey, a man ran up to Him and knelt before Him, and asked Him, "Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?"

    18And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.

    ( since JESUS IS GOD JESUS IS GOOD )

    ( since we are not GOD we are not good )


    Final thought >>>> NO ONE IS GOOD EXCEPT GOD !!!!!!!

    ( that makes us evil rebellious children saved by grace )

    :D




  7. Evil is within us all yes but are we all evil?? Nope
  8. heydave

    heydave New Member

    Nope

    NOPE = Not Only People Evil

    :p
  9. RichardS

    RichardS New Member

    With that statement, I now agree with him fully.

    Sometimes I just miss that one link and I'm off. :p
  10. heydave

    heydave New Member

    I agree


    I agree !!! ;)
  11. lol
  12. Templedweller

    Templedweller New Member

    A response to this thread

    Are we sinful?

    Sinful Man....Before a Holy God

    We stand.

    No one is Righteous, No, Not One.

    That is Why He sent His Son:

    Jesus Christ, He came to save,

    through shedding of His Blood,
    the penalty would be waved.

    From in our heart,
    at times,
    we choose to sin.

    Once In Jesus,
    Our new life begins in Him.

    Blessed,
    Precious,
    Redemption from On High

    To Free Us from the Slavery of sin is why
    You did come to live among Us and Ultimantely Upon a Cross Suffer and Die.

    This, thus took the wage of Our Sin.


    Now Are we able,
    if we choose,
    to Sin again

    Why Of Course

    & Yet That Needn't be our heart.

    For Jesus Christ came in

    So that from Darkness we may depart

    And Live in the Light of Truth

    And Walk in God's Way.

    To stroll on With God

    Into the Eternal Day

    by Templedweller :)
  13. violet

    violet Inactive

    Galatians~
    3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
    4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
    5 To whom be glory for ever and ever...
  14. violet

    violet Inactive

    Proverbs 2

    The Value of Wisdom

    1 My son, if you receive my words,
    And treasure my commands within you,
    2 So that you incline your ear to wisdom,
    And apply your heart to understanding;
    3 Yes, if you cry out for discernment,
    And lift up your voice for understanding,
    4 If you seek her as silver,
    And search for her as for hidden treasures;
    5 Then you will understand the fear of the LORD,
    And find the knowledge of God.
    6 For the LORD gives wisdom;
    From His mouth come knowledge and understanding;

    7 He stores up sound wisdom for the upright;
    He is a shield to those who walk uprightly;
    8 He guards the paths of justice,
    And preserves the way of His saints.
    9 Then you will understand righteousness and justice,
    Equity and every good path.
    10 When wisdom enters your heart,
    And knowledge is pleasant to your soul,
    11 Discretion will preserve you;
    Understanding will keep you,
    12 To deliver you from the way of evil...

    Obviously we can be delivered from evil!

    THE LORD'S PRAYER

    Our Father, who art in heaven,
    hallowed be thy name.
    Thy Kingdom come,
    thy will be done,
    on earth as it is in heaven
    Give us this day our daily bread.
    And forgive us our trespasses,
    as we forgive those who trespass against us.
    And lead us not into temptation,
    but deliver us from evil.
    For thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory. for ever and ever. Amen

  15. violet

    violet Inactive

    Very, very nice, Templedweller!!! :bible:
  16. I enjoyed that Templedweller!


    The old man is hopelessly wicked and in need of salvation (in him dwells no good thing) . The new man is created after God in righteousness and true holiness- the soul is what needed saving- we are to be renewed in our minds (thinking) according to the Word of God by the Spirit of God. As we do this we see the new man manifest in our lives.
  17. Banarenth

    Banarenth Sr Mod/Webmaster Staff Member

    Not to get too off-topic, but this made me think of a line from Merlin:

    Merlin: Does not your own religion tell you "Let he that is without sin cast the first stone"?

    Knight: Well...I admit. That I have sinned...a little.

    This really told me a few things. First, it shows how everyone views Christians from the outside. We make all kinds of claims about our own religion that we rarely live up to. We get attacked, not because we specifically have done anything, but because so many Christians have tried to set themselves up above everyone else instead of lifting Christ up. We expect our leaders and every person in the church to be perfect.

    It's something that is a major struggle, and I think many times it's completely unrealistic. You come to Christ just as you are, but the church itself seems to expect so much more from you. If your denomination has rules, then you are expected to live by them on top of God's law. I understand that if you were perfect, that you would strive to achieve some of these rules, but some get pretty strict IMO. My own church never allowed dancing of any kind in the past. Even movies and TV were outlawed. But the rules have changed, yet some still expect that on day 1.

    I can understand why someone would choose that life, but so many don't live it themselves, and still try to push it on people. Outsiders see that first, before they even see Christ. So really, which is the worse sin? To me, there is no sin worse than leading another person astray.

    It's like Sunday lunch. Everyone tries to remember the Sabbath and do no work. So they all go out to lunch. Sunday afternoon is a REALLY busy time in restaurants. So, if it's a sin for you to work, how much worse is it that you go somewhere and make someone else work? And then not tip them because they are just "sinners"?

    Christian need to avoid these kinds of dualities. Because that is how people see us, and that is how people see Christ through us.
  18. Brother Ban if a man says he is good he is (look at me, I do this, I don't do that, etc.) fooling himself and setting himself up for a trip down the humbling highway. It is always preferable to admit your weakness and lift up Jesus. As a christian I have been haranged like everyone else but this I have learned- one cannot be a hypocrite if one if one declares the goodness of his Saviour . Lifting Jesus up draws men- self exaultation was lucifer's mistake.
  19. Banarenth

    Banarenth Sr Mod/Webmaster Staff Member

    Hmmm...isn't that what I just said...in a lot more words?
  20. In less words- but we still agree!:D

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