Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by MMurphy, Jun 26, 2014.
True, but as a Christian I try not to. Sola fide means I don't even have to try not to.
You are evading the question!!!---SMOKE SCREEN!!!
It is a really simple question but of course it places YOU in a precarious situation.
On one hand you believe that saved people must do good works to validate their salvation.
On the other hand, here is your loved one, who just accepted Christ and before they had the chance to do a good work....
BOOM! they are dead. That places your belief in a connumdrum dosen't it? That my friend is WHY YOU did not answer the question.
You see, now the reality of life is in front of you and what we think is not always what God says. WHAT DO WE DO????
Stick with our thinking and opinions and denomination teaching---- OR accept the written Word of God?????
"And brought them out and said; Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, BELIEVE UPON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AND YOU SFALL BE SAVED.............."!
Now, you are aware that Jesus taught justification by faith alone. To abandon that truth is to abandon biblical soteriology altogether. Jesus taught it a long time before Martin Luther. No doctrine is more important to evangelical theology than the doctrine of justification by faith alone--the Reformation principle of sola fide. Martin Luther rightly said that the church stands or falls on this one doctrine.
Scripture itself makes sola fide the only alternative to a damning system of works-righteousness:
"Now to the one who works, his wage is not reckoned as a favor, but as what is due. But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness".
In other words, those who trust Jesus Christ for justification by faith alone receive a perfect righteousness that is reckoned to them. Those who attempt to establish their own righteousness or mix faith with works only receive the terrible wage that is due all who fall short of perfection. So the individual as well as the church stands or falls with the principle of sola fide.
"Therefore being justified by FAITH, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ".
Major, there is a difference between justification by works (which I have not once stated) and your works demonstrating good faith. By advocating sola fide (which neither Jesus nor the Bible teach) you are ignoring the scriptures that state particularly that works are important to faith. Read James.
Alright then let's throw in a curve ball, what about a gay christian?
If one goes by scripture, there is no such thing as a gay (sexually active) Christian.
There is no such thing as a homosexual Christian my friend.
Mr. MMurphy. Honestly I am feeling like I am talking with a broken record.
I agree with you! Works are important to faith. I have posted Scripture after Scripture for you to prove just that............
however, good works do not save and play no part of salvation. They do however validate ones salvation because the saved man out of love for God now has a desire to do good works.
And again......I have to correct you. Jesus in fact taught "sola fide."
But there is such a thing as a habitually sinning Christian? What makes homosexuality so special? I thought you said works don't play a role in salvation?
Fine if you want to go down that road I say there's no such thing as a Christian who doesn't do good works.
There are Christians who have what you call "spiritual strongholds", who suffer in them until they discover how to let Jesus free them. Some of them have the stronghold of sexual addiction, of which homosexuality is one. It doesn't negate their salvation, but they aren't going around pushing for acceptance of the sin, either. They have appropriate grief over their problem.
If they did would it negate it?
No, it would reveal the depth of their deception, but if their lives are not producing spiritual fruit and they are acting out in their sin, they can be considered false converts and will need to be disciplined.
How does "works" pertain to non-repentant homosexuality?
Faith without works is dead. However, there is not a single scripture that says our works will garner us salvation. If you believe there is, post it please.
What makes homosexual behavior so special (wrong) is that is completely destroys the plan of God. That plan from the Garden of Eden was 1 man and 1 woman to multiply. Homosexuality destroys the family unit that God set in place.
I know what you are saying when you say........"I say there's no such thing as a Christian who doesn't do good works",
and as nice as I can, once again I have to tell you that, that is just wrong thinking and not logical or Biblical.
IF that is what you choose to believe....fine with me. All I do is try and give correct Biblical advice where asked and if you reject it, no problem for me whatsoever.
Why would you think that committing the abomination of homosexuality would qualify as a "work".
Homosexuality is an "abomination" to the Lord thy God and it is so wrong that God said it was punishable by death under the law of God. Now I now some do not want here that on a Christian forum but it is exactly what God said. I didn't say it, God did!!!!
One can be a Christian or one can be a homosexual, but not both! Homosexuality is KNOWN sin being committed by a willful choice to reject the Word of God.
“If you’re stuck in habitual sin, you should question whether or not you’re really saved"!
1 John says...........“If we claim to be without sin, we lie and the truth is not in us.”
Remember Paul???? He had had the same problem we are talking about.
Rom. 7:19 & 24......
“For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. … What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death?”
Paul’s answer to this was that he needed Jesus Christ to change him, that his willpower wasn’t enough. He wrote about this in the book of Galatians, when he chastised the people there for trying to live the Christian life “by human effort” (Galatians 3:3).
So murdering a family like BTK did destroys God's plan less than a gay couple? Just stop.
Orientation isn't a choice.
THANK YOU, and can we just finally accept what the mental health experts and scientists have been telling us about sexual orientation, which is that it is NOT an illness, requires no cure, and cannot be changed? This is one area where the battle is over but some would like to see it rage on.