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A Little Message From Our Very Own Fore Father’s

Discussion in 'Bible Study' started by hhogletree, Apr 27, 2012.

  1. Part-one
    By Herbert H. Ogletree
    The word Rapture wasn’t user back in the olden day’s of the printing of the Bible, when it was first being printed, and down through the many ages of the Bible I’m afraid if it was it would had been wore it self out long before the word Rapture ever got all the ways down to us into our very own days and time’s of today, so it was preserved for this very needed times of trials

    (From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
    The rapture is a reference to the "being caught up" referred to in
    1 Thessalonians 4:17, when the "dead in Christ" and "we who are alive and remain" will be caught up in the clouds to meet "the Lord".[1] The term "rapture" is used in at least two senses inmodern traditions of Christian eschatology; in pre-tribulationist views, in which a group of people will be "left behind", and as a synonym for the final resurrection generally.[2][3][4]
    There are many views among Christians regarding the timing of

    Christ's return (including whether it will occur in one event or two), and various views regarding the destination of the aerial gathering described in 1 Thessalonians 4. Denominations such as Roman Catholics,[5]Orthodox Christians,[6]Lutheran Christians,[7] and Reformed Christians[8] believe in a rapture only in the sense of a general final resurrection, when Christ returns
    a single time.
    Pre-tribulation rapture theology was developed in the 1830s by British evangelist

    John Nelson Darby and the Plymouth Brethren[9], and popularized in the United States in the early 20th century by the wide circulation of the Scofield Reference Bible.[10]
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    "Rapture" is derived from

    Middle French rapture, via the Medieval Latin raptura ("seizure, rape, kidnapping"), which derives from the Latin raptus ("a carrying off").[11]


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    The

    Koine Greek of 1 Thessalonians 4:17 uses the verb form ἁρπαγησόμεθα (harpagēsometha), which means "we shall be caught up" or "taken away", with the connotation that this is a sudden event. The dictionary form of this Greek verb is harpazō ([COLOR=#0000ff][FONT=Times New Roman]ἁρπάζω[/FONT][/COLOR]).[12] This use is also seen in such texts as Acts 8:39, 2 Corinthians and Revelation 12:5
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    The Latin

    Vulgate translates the Greek ἁρπαγησόμεθα as rapiemur,[13] meaning "to catch up" or "take away".[14]


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    English versions of the Bible have translated rapiemur in various ways:
    The

    Wycliffe Bible (1395), translated from the Latin Vulgate, uses "rushed".[15]

    The

    Tyndale New Testament (1525), the Bishop's Bible (1568), the Geneva Bible (1587) and the King James Version (1611) use "caught up".[16]

    The

    New English Bible, translated from the Greek,[17] uses "suddenly caught up" with this footnote: "Or “snatched up.” The Greek verb ἁρπάζω
    implies that the action is quick or forceful, so the translation supplied the adverb “suddenly” to make this implicit notion clear."
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    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Top t of the rapture, in connection with

    premillennialism, was expressed by the 17th-century American Puritan father and son Increase and Cotton Mather. They held to the idea that believers would be caught up in the air, followed by judgments on the Earth, and then the millennium.[18][19] The term rapture was used by Philip Doddridge[20] and John Gill[21] in their New Testament
    commentaries, with the idea that believers would be caught up
    prior to judgment on the Earth and Jesus'

    second coming
    .
    There exists at least one 18th century and two 19th century pre-tribulation references: in an essay published in 1788 in
    Philadelphia by the Baptist

    Morgan Edwards which articulated the concept of a pre-tribulation rapture,[22] in the writings of Catholic priest Emmanuel Lacunza in 1812,[23] and by John Nelson Darby in 1827.[24] However, both the book published in 1788 and the writings of Lacunza have opposing views regarding their interpretations.[citation needed] Emmanuel Lacunza (1731–1801), a Jesuit priest, (under the pseudonym Juan Josafat Ben Ezra) wrote an apocalyptic work entitled La venida del Mesías en gloria y majestad (The Coming of the Messiah in Glory and Majesty). The book appeared first in 1811, 10 years after his death. In 1827, it was translated into English by the Scottish minister Edward Irving.[citation needed
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  2. You are a bit off there, the notion of "the Rapture" did not exist at all before Darby, and is not
    accepted outside of the Evangelical and Pentecostal churches. (last I heard)

    I can fully understand the draw of such a belief, no one wants to have to go through the terror
    that the Tribulation will certainly be. Personally, I don't buy it. Both the Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches
    have had literally thousands of Saints over the last 2000 years, all of which spoke to God and Jesus on a regular
    basis, and not a single one has supported the notion of a "rapture".
     
  3. I agree with Glomung's comments re the fallacies of the 'rapture' (and 'secret' rapture in particular) doctrine, though for slightly different reasons (e.g. the Catholic/Orthodox bit). But I think we would both agree that the rapture doctrine is popular because it's convenient, and what most professing Christians would prefer to hear in choosing from the different options for interpreting end-time prophecy. But it doesn't make it true; it's not supported scripturally.

    The reality is that, like Glomung mentioned, Christians have had to die for their faith throughout history. The Bible also tells Christians to expect persecution and suffering, and even to rejoice in it. The tribulation vision is not a popular one nor a comfortable one, but it's one which all of us need to cultivate as we march closer and closer to the Great Tribulation each day. And yes, that is a vision of going through the Great Tribulation, and not just escaping before it comes.
     
  4. I'm going to add a general warning to this topic due to the nature of the Rapture doctrine and it's inherent inclination for debate. This topic will be watched closely for inappropriate content.
     
  5. To argue that the Rapture is a NEW theology goes against the actual Scriptures themselves. We need to be very careful NOT here when we think the teaching on the Rapture is NEW. In fact it goes all the way back to Jesus and the Aposteles themselves.

    Luke 21:36
    New King James Version (NKJV)
    36 Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy[a] to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”

    Hebrews 11:5
    New King James Version (NKJV)
    5 By faith Enoch was taken away so that he did not see death, “and was not found, because God had taken him”; [a] for before he was taken he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
    Mt.25:10,
    New King James Version (NKJV)
    10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut

    Rev. 12:5
    5 She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne.

    1 Corinthians 15:51-54
    New King James Version
    51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”

    1 Thess. 4:13-18
    New King James Version
    13But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
    14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
    15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
    16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
    17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
    18Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

    Surely we can see that all thses verses are teaching us something.

    Genesis 3:15 is the 1st promise of the Messiah but who understood it????

    If all those verse are not speaking to a Rapture or a Catching Away, then what are they telling us my friends???

    You see my friends, God gives us information is "portions" because if He gave it all to us at one time we would simply reject it. He has given this to us as we are able to grasp it. IF anyone wants top reject the Catching Away........then go right ahead, I will not argue it with you. A lot of people rejected the Messiah but He came anyway just as God promised in Genesis 3:15.
     
  6. And that would be correct if we did not have the church my friend. The Tribulation is not for the Church but for Israel!!!! The greatest mistake made today when reading the Bible is failing to understand that the Church and the Nation of Israel are TWO differant entities. THE CHURCH HAS NOT REPLACED ISRAEL.

    Consider Romans 5:9 and explain your thinking on it.........
    "Much more then, being now justified by His blood, WE SHALL BE SAVED FROM WRATH THROUGH HIM".

    If there is no Catching Away......how do we explain:
    Galatians 1:4
    "4Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father".

    Titus 2:13
    13"Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ."

    If you reject the Catching Away, I suggest you begin to explain these verses and the many others that are found in the Scriptures that speak to a Rapture/Catching Away instead of just rejecting the event.
     
  7. Major, I understand your interpretation of those passages, but IMHO, none of those passages support the notion of a rapture
    or the "special position of Israel".

    If a passage is supposed to apply to the Church for all time, then it cannot apply to particular people at a particular happenstance.
     
  8. I couldn't agree more with Glomung. The Tribulation is coming, and it's scriptural. We do have blessed hope to be delivered and saved, though it doesn't come from appealing fantasies about floating up to heaven on a flowery bed of ease before any trouble ever starts. Rather, our hope for salvation lies in our faith, which must be strong enough to endure the Great Tribulation, and live above the troubles of that time. Remember, Jesus did not come to keep us from all troubles in the flesh, but rather to help us overcome them. Overcoming trials and tribulation and never having to face them are two entirely different things; we would do well to recognize that.
     
  9. This was taking from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. This is the encyclopedia you find on internet. This is there study on word of Rapture and it's history.
     

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