Discussion in 'Doctrinal Discussions' started by Complete, Feb 13, 2017.
It is one of the Greatest Plans of God for us.
Gone is the need for a man (high priest) forever since Jesus has been made our High Priest Forever.
Now that we are born again into Christ we are now made Priest and Kings.
We now have the Authority (as kings) to use His Word with results for God will Back His Word through us.
We now can come boldly into the thrown room (as priest) anytime we wish.
No more once a year and hoping the high priest of the year would not end up dead once he passed through the curtain.
Amen and Glory to God!!
In His Grip
Hello Fish Catcher Jim,
We can indeed come into God's presence bodly, not because we are 'priests', not because we are 'king's, because we are neither: that is the privelage of redeemed Israel; but because we are, in Christ, His children. We come in the spirit of sonship, whereby we call Him, 'Abba' (Father). This, all because the Lord Jesus Christ laid down His life for us, that He may bring 'many sons unto glory' (Heb.2:9,10).
In Christ Jesus
I will take scripture over all !
Have a wonderful week my Sister
In His Grip
Just thought i would share this verse with everyone, since it shows us that we are to reign as kings in life through Jesus Christ.
For if because of one man's trespass (lapse, offense) death reigned through that one, much more surely will those who receive [God's] overflowing grace (unmerited favor) and the free gift of righteousness [putting them into right standing with Himself] reign as kings in life through the one Man Jesus Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One).
Romans 5:17 AMPC
All this is stated after Paul talks about Jews and gentiles being one together and someone being justified by faith in Christ after our Father in the faith Abraham.
Blessings to you my friend!
Love in Christ
'And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift:
for the judgment was by one to condemnation,
but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
For if by one man's offence death reigned by one;
much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness
shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation;
even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.'
With respect, Romans 5:!7, with it's reference to reigning, ' ... they shall reign in life ... ', has to be kept within it's context. It has nothing to do with reigning as a 'King' as previously spoken of in this thread.
Here in Romans 5 we have the wonderful knowledge, that whereas, 'death reigned' and 'sin reigned', that now, for the believer, 'grace reigns'. That the dominion of sin may be broken, and that those who were once held captive by it may now rise as conquerors and reign. Chapter six is devoted to this subject of 'reigning in life', as are chapters 7 and 8. The subject is approached from all angles.
As far as Jew and Gentile believers being One, yes, of course, 'in Christ', they are. However there were promises made by God to Israel as a nation specifically, and they will be honoured by Him, when they once more are, His People (Zech.13:9). The role of Priest and King is peculiarly theirs. I have given the necessary Scriptures for this in a previous post.
In Christ Jesus
With all due respect reigning is the equivalent of being a king. One cannot reign without being someone with the power and authority to do so.
In the greek the definition of reigning is....
to be king, to exercise kingly power, to reign
So you see, yes, I did keep it in context. It's the reason why i wrote that I read the chapters before it, and explained briefly what Paul was talking about. One has to remember that each book of the Bible was never originally written in chapter or verse. It was all one letter.
Even as I read in the youngs literal translation... many times kingdom is translated as reign, what one does in a kingdom.
When the Holy Spirit brings light to something and makes it stand out to me, I tend to listen and believe it, and then share what He has shown me.
I apologize that I cannot agree with your response, but this in no way has to keep you from your belief.
Blessings to you
For if by one man’s offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
Pretty clear to me here.
You Accept Christ you receive an abundance of Grace and the Gift of Righteousness. .... these are who Can Reign in Life Through Christ Jesus.
Without Christ you have no Grace or Righteousness and death via the curse reigns over you.
John 10:10 fits together.
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
If you think (meditate upon God's Word) about it.... (by reading many different passages in Romans and Galatians) this is one of the major points of God's desiring to make Jesus a propitiation for our sins. It's all done by grace so that no man can boast that they themselves have done it alone. It all leads back to dependance upon God for everything. Which is where we all should be
Fish Catcher Jim
Cturtle raised Romans 5:17 as a proof text, for what she believes regarding believers in general being 'Kings and Priests' (1 Peter 2:5), and I responded to it, but it is has no bearing on the subject of the thread itself, so I see no purpose in continuing to discuss it.
In Christ Jesus
As you can see by your first post that it is the subject of the thread.
As you told me in a reply here
You began the thread by inquiring concerning the word in question, so it must mean something to you too. If you ask a question then you must expect responses, some to your liking and others not.
Please understand that not every one is going to agree with you.
This does not make them wrong.
So please don't accuse some one of not presenting truth found in God's Word as it having no bearing in the thread, because you don't agree with it.
Have a wonderful day
I have not done what you accuse me of, @Fist Catcher Jim.
I did not accuse you of anything. I simply used your quotes and showed you what you were doing.
I believed that this verse applies to you and me. We can understand this fully when we read Exodus and Leviticus. priesthood was ordained by God for the sole purpose of ministering before God and to the people. It is Gods desire for you and me to become part of the priesthood one that will minister to God closely, not like the Israelite of old that needs a priest for them to minister before God. Ministering before God alludes intimacy, a close relationship with God which we see in Genesis, where God was in close relationship with man, through Adam, but separated because of sin. God wants to bring back that relationship. If so why through priesthood? In Exodus and Leviticus, priest had a series of requirements before ministering to God, and to sum up all those requirements in one word that is "consecration" thus, reveals that God wants us to have a close intimacy with Him, to minister before Him,as mentioned in Revelation, we are created for His pleasure, but we need consecration in our lives in every areas.
I hope this may help you and has brought enlightenment to this subject. Godbless you
It`s been a while but I`ve had a major op & am recovering. I would like to comment on this topic.
Now we notice that Peter says `royal priesthood.` Israel NEVER had `royal priests,` they were a separate office - king, (royal) & a priest.
Then when we look at the Body of Christ we see that the Lord who Himself is a kingpriest, (holds the 2 offices) is making us like unto Himself - kings & priest, kingpriests.
`...Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the first born from the dead, and ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, and has made us KINGS AND PRIESTS to His God and father, to Him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.` (Rev. 1: 5 & 6)
Welcome Back and we will be praying for a quick recovery.
Very well put, thank you!!
Actually God`s word does NOT say we are `engrafted Jews.` In Romans ch. 11 we read that we, the Body of Christ is grafted into the HOLY ROOT. (Rom. 11: 16) That is the Lord Himself. The Jews were NEVER a `holy Root.` That has been an error that has been taught. We receive nourishment, (partaker of the root), from Christ & not the Jews.(Rom. 11: 17)
Hope that helps.
Thanks FCJim & Turtle,
I appreciate the prayers & welcome back.
God bless, Marilyn.
Being engrafted With the Jews is being Grafted into the root not as wild branches (gentile) but become a Natural part of the tree which is made up of natural branches or Jews, so hence we become engrafted Jews as well.
Now then none of that really matters because we see in Galatian 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Now as being Grafted in as the natural Jews we can say we are engrafted Jews and this does not say in any way that the Jews were the root. This does not consider the Jews a Holy Root.
It does say they were a natural Branch and we were once a wild branch but when we get grafted in we are no longer a wild branch but have become as the natural branch and we (all branches get life from the root together)
If the terumah haissa (portion, offering of the dough) that is reshit (first) is kodesh (holy), so is the whole; and if the shoresh (root) is kodesh (holy), so also are the ana’fim (the branches).
17 But if some of the ana’fim have been broken off, and you, a wild olive, have been grafted among them and have become sharer in the richness of the olive tree’s root,
18 Do not boast (4:2) over the ana’fim. If you do boast, it is not the case that you sustain the shoresh, but the shoresh sustains you.
19 You will say, then, "Anafim were broken off in order that I might be grafted in."
20 Quite so: they were broken off on the mekor (basis) of no emunah, but you stand only by emunah. Do not cherish proud thoughts, but fear.
21 For if G-d did not spare the natural anafim, neither will He spare you.
Now if the firstfruits offered up are holy, so is the whole batch. And if the root is holy, so are the branches.
17 Now if some of the branches were broken off, and you, though a wild olive branch, were grafted in among them and have come to share in the rich root of the cultivated olive tree,
18 do not brag that you are better than those branches. But if you do brag—you do not sustain the root, but the root sustains you
19 Then you will say, Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.”
20 True enough; they were broken off by unbelief, but you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid.
21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you either. 22 Therefore, consider God’s kindness and severity: severity toward those who have fallen but God’s kindness toward you—if you remain in His kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off
23 And even they, if they do not remain in unbelief, will be grafted in, because God has the power to graft them in again.
24 For if you were cut off from your native wild olive and against nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these—the natural branches—be grafted into their own olive tree?