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Old 02-22-2008, 02:45 PM   #11
 
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I have got to say I like brother Joel. He isn't an evenagelist but he is an exhorter. In fact I have been to many churches were the Pastors were misplaced Evangelists, but i digress.
Our Church opened up several outreach facilities after Katrina and spend basically every penny the Chruch had on outreach and helps- even the Pastor's were off salary. Pastor Frank had us pray as a Church citing the fact that the mission for the homeless was down to beans and wiennies(hot dogs) and now was running out of wiennies with no more buns.
The next day Pastor Frank got a call saying he was needed at the mission, thinking it was the city inspectors he went right down. Well when he got their it was none other than Joel Osteen. Brother Joel said God had spoken to him to come and supply the needs for that mission. He gave Pastor Frank a huge check that would run and furnish the mission for a whole year.
Awesome right? What really impressed me was that Pastor Joel never made one public statement, he didn't want publicity but instead he just wanted to do the Father's will. Except for our church body and the people I have told this to here I do not think anyone else knows how God used this man in New Orleans to this day.
Yes I saw Jesus in him.
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Old 02-22-2008, 05:59 PM   #12
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I am a great fan of 4 out of those 5 and respect the other- it seems we have much the same taste!
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Joel Osteen doesn't believe in teaching about sin - yes he is a motivational speaker, but he is not going to get people saved if he doesn't teach them why they need to change their lives to begin with.
I agree!
I don't listen to every teaching but I do not recall he has ever mentioned repentence... Honestly I am a bit confused about his calling... That's why I call him a motivational speaker...
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[quote=Boanerges;84057]I have got to say I like brother Joel. He isn't an evenagelist but he is an exhorter. In fact I have been to many churches were the Pastors were misplaced Evangelists, but i digress.
Our Church opened up several outreach facilities after Katrina and spend basically every penny the Chruch had on outreach and helps- even the Pastor's were off salary. Pastor Frank had us pray as a Church citing the fact that the mission for the homeless was down to beans and wiennies(hot dogs) and now was running out of wiennies with no more buns.
The next day Pastor Frank got a call saying he was needed at the mission, thinking it was the city inspectors he went right down. Well when he got their it was none other than Joel Osteen. Brother Joel said God had spoken to him to come and supply the needs for that mission. He gave Pastor Frank a huge check that would run and furnish the mission for a whole year.
Awesome right? What really impressed me was that Pastor Joel never made one public statement, he didn't want publicity but instead he just wanted to do the Father's will. Except for our church body and the people I have told this to here I do not think anyone else knows how God used this man in New Orleans to this day.
Yes I saw Jesus in him.[/quote]

What ever his calling is, I see Jesus in him also when I read your post
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Joel Osteen doesn't believe in teaching about sin - yes he is a motivational speaker, but he is not going to get people saved if he doesn't teach them why they need to change their lives to begin with.

So true.... I saw him on Larry King live and was not impressed with the way he spoke and did not mention salvation at all. If he doesn 't preach salvation in my books he does not preach the whole word of God and to me it does not matter how motivational he is.

Sorry, just my opinion.
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I would say I have seen him preach ( on tv) about a dozen times and he never finished a message without giving people the opportunity to give their heart to Christ.
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Watching TV Pastors is kind of like eating watermelon, you may have to spit out a couple of seeds now and then.
You had me on the floor, laughing...

I love tv evangalists...Ok, I never really watch tv much or tv evangalists, but there was this one time...

I was flipping through the channels and this tv evangilists was shaking his bible at me and he said, "Don't you dare change that channel, I have a message from God for you personally!", so I didn't change the channel. Then he said, "God is going to give you all the desires of your heart. It is right here in his word" and he was shaking the bible at me. So I got that going for me...
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I would say I have seen him preach ( on tv) about a dozen times and he never finished a message without giving people the opportunity to give their heart to Christ.
Yes he does always say to follow him in this prayer and then we believe you are saved. But my point is this - if he is not convicting people of their sin, saying a few words is not going to make their salvation real.
He also said on that Larry King show that he couldn't say whether an aetheist who denies the existence of God, would actually go to heaven - well if he read his bible, he would know that they don't. And that he doesn't like to use that word 'sin'.
And while his messages are always positive and uplifiting, I have never ever seen him open his bible or get the people to open their bibles and I have watched lots of his shows in the past.
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Very true... he seems to have made a 'religion' out of his speaking engagements and this may be his way of securing his retirement funding. I have a major problem with TV personalities and so called 'ministers' who use media and religion as a business... to make millions of dollars (or other currencies) for themselves with their hand in the pockets of gullable people who listen to their 'message' and believe that if they donate all that they can, they will be given God's blessings. That is the message that some of these TV 'ministers' present... and unfortunately, they are getting RICH at the expense of persons who just don't know any better.

If a TV 'ministry' spends sunstantially more time asking for MONEY - than teaching, you can rest assured that it is a 'business' circumventing the laws under the guise of religion as a scam to get rich. This is dispicable and God will judge these slick talking charlatians for their deception.
Made me think about Benny Hinn, he has just visited my country on a crusade - he came to the meetings in a stretch limo!, wearing his white silk suits, preached for 11/2 hours on giving (to his ministry of course).
But the big thing that got all of the talk back radio shows buzzing was when he asked a woman who's baby was crying to leave stating "these people came to hear me preach, not to hear some baby cry" and had her ushered out.
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Phi 1:15 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:
Phi 1:16 The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:
Phi 1:17 But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defense of the gospel.
Phi 1:18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretense, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.

In this letter to the Phippipians, the Apostile Paul is commenting on how his being in prision brought about the advancement of the gospel. No matter what their reason or purpose Paull rejoiced in the fact that the gospell was being preached.

But his words have a much wider and much more important application in these last days.

I know that some are false teachers, false profits, Some teach out of ignorance, not having the calling or wisdom. Some preach out of envey, to punish or control. Some even preach and teach for their own purposes, to fill their pockets, feed their prideful hearts to have prestiege before men. But many preach in love, truth and sincerity.
But so long as they preach of Jesus, do good in the name of Christ, lift his name, spread the gospel then as the Apostile Paul, I rejoice.

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