mdibbets

Hello,

well... how to start this off...
I am a christian... sort off, but I do have my disagreements with the majority of christendom.
Where do these differences lie?

1. I do not believe that Yeshua is God. Sh'ma Yisrael, Adonai Elohaynu, Adonai Echad(Hear O' Isreal, The Lord your God is One)
2. I do not believe in a sinfull nature, I believe in a rebellious nature.
3. I do not believe the bible is accurate. I hold the Tenach(Tanakh for some, but i'm used to writing it as Tenach) as scripture, and the rest is commentary, history, but like all history books, with their own faults and prejudices.
4. I believe that believers should still obey the 613 commands God has given Moses.
5. I believe all modern day translations are corrupt because they ommit verses and leave verses out.
6. I believe the book hebrews is faulty and a horrible piece of instruction. I am starting a research on that soon, where I am going to explore every state ment to see if it's biblically correct.
7. I believe that one should aim to know the scriptures so you can have an answer to everything. Through contamination from roman doctrines this is hard work, and you usually have to go to the judaists to find proper answers.
9. Once forgiven always forgiven is very low low low in my standards because it's a lie.
8... heck, you'll notice soon enough.

Like the Jews, I do like a heated argument, as long as the argument stays on the argument itself and does not become personal. So if I seem harsh, zealous, etc.. it is because I like discussing, and I am very protective of original understanding of the bible(which comes from the jews) and very very cautious about general interpretation of the bible.(note the use in words)

I have no respect for people who say:
The bible is just a guideline
You can be gay and christian at the same time
You can practise occultism and be a christian
You can work on the sabbath
And anyone else who just waters down the bible.

The above people are in HIGH standards with me compared to the people who say that the old testament is fullfilled/done away with, etc...

I just wish to be honest in my introduction, so you guys know what you are getting into. I also like to win an argument, but if I come to the realisation that I am wrong, I will quickly admit it. No use defending a wall that is about to collapse.

Michael

P.s. I'm also a horrible speller

Dave

Hello mdibbets.

When you registered to join this forum you agreed to the following:

1) The Holy Scriptures, in it’s original form, is the inerrant Word of God.
2) There is only one God who reveals Himself as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
3) We are separated from God due to sin.
4) God's Son, Jesus Christ, was born of the virgin Mary, died on the cross for our sins, and rose again on the third day.
5) We can only be saved by repenting of sin, and accepting Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior by faith. This salvation is provided by the grace of God. We cannot be saved through our own efforts or works.

You now seem to be saying that you don't, so may I ask why you registered?

mdibbets

1) The Holy Scriptures, in it’s original form, is the inerrant Word of God.
2) There is only one God who reveals Himself as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
3) We are separated from God due to sin.
4) God's Son, Jesus Christ, was born of the virgin Mary, died on the cross for our sins, and rose again on the third day.
5) We can only be saved by repenting of sin, and accepting Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior by faith. This salvation is provided by the grace of God. We cannot be saved through our own efforts or works.

1,3,4,5 I agree a full 100%, number 2 I agree half with. There is only One God who reveals Himself as the Father.

If you wish me to accept that the father is the son, you are in for a long haul
You seem to forget, that the one passage where it states all three of those in order, that it has continually the words "And the" in between them.

Michael

mdibbets

owyea, another thing, Define scriptures Only defenition of scriptures you'll get from the bible is the Tenach

How else could timothy study what wasn't written yet

Dave

If you don't believe that Jesus is God, you were not honest in your registration. Knowing this, why did you decide to go ahead and register?

mdibbets

Because I wish to debate on a christians only forum, and I can live with agreeing to a much accepted misconception in the christian faith. One I hope to handle on this forum, because the first rule I agreed with was:

1) The Holy Scriptures, in it’s original form, is the inerrant Word of God.

Since there was in the statement already a conflict with the rule under it, I take the preceeding rule as more important, and I wish to clafiry things, for those who never held another opinion

I like bible studies, and if I am not right in my bible studies, confront me. but I like being thourough.

Dave

Whether you can live with them or not isn't the issue. The administrator of this forum set it up for Christians only and registration here requires agreement with the statements I posted.

Another problem is that you are giving the impression that you lack integrity, because you were not truthful in your registration. I think you will probably appreciate this yourself?

mdibbets

I admit that I was not totally honest in accepting the statement but I accepted it because I accept half of it. But I am a christian, and I wish to debate on a christian only forum whilst exploring the topics I wish to explore.

If the admin of this site wishes to kick me off this site for not accepting the trinity, for which I have very good grounds, so be it and I'll accept his judgement and submit to his authority.

I am a christian, and that was the main requirement. I accept the handicap that I have to be dishonest by acknowledging that you believe that there is this eqeasion that 1 == 3.

Lets leave it to the admin to decide if he wants to keep me on this board or not?
If he wants interesting bible studies he should it will be enriching to get the truth visible in the bible.

Michael

Dave

Yes, fair enough Michael. I'm sure Jeff the administrator will deal with the matter when he visits here next.

Dave

BTW, are you a programmer by any chance?