Help needed with outdoors Christian wedding - Page 2

Housesitter · 09-14-2007, 06:39 PM

My son is a minister and licenced marriage officer. He is in Liverpool England.
I have sent him an email asking for clarification and will post the result when he replies.

ReginaPhlange · 09-14-2007, 07:05 PM

Thanks housesitter, thats most helpful

violet · 09-14-2007, 07:29 PM

Wow, this does not apply on private property as well, does it?

ReginaPhlange · 09-14-2007, 07:31 PM

I would of thought so. It's all about it being legal. Here in the UK, as I understand it at the moment, only a civil registrar or Church of England minister can legally marry people. So, at other church weddings, a registrar needs to be present.

CSchultz · 09-14-2007, 07:34 PM

Sheeeeesh.

I don't suppose you can count on any relief after the November elections?

ReginaPhlange · 09-14-2007, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CSchultz

Sheeeeesh.

I don't suppose you can count on any relief after the November elections?

Uk here, so the November elections won't effect me in that way

Although, we are due a general election soon.

We only got engaged on Tuesday, so our wedding plans are very much in the early stages! We haven't set a date yet so you never know, they may change the law here soon!

Housesitter · 09-15-2007, 08:59 AM

OK. It seems that in Scotland the law is different so a minister can marry you in loads of places but in England and Wales a minister can marry you in their church if they are a licenced marriage officer. If they are CoE then they are automatically licenced. Non denominational are frequently not licenced so check.
If the marriage is not in a church the civil marriage officer performs the 'legal' aspect. This is not in any way religious. But and here I am quoting:

As the law in England and Wales stands, in order to have your Christian wedding service outside of a church:
You must have the normal civil ceremony at your chosen venue with the registrar, the bride, groom and two witnesses just a few minutes before the main wedding/marriage blessing with your family, friends and guests in attendance.
This standard of practice is fully acceptable with all local registrars when using licensed venues.
The alternative is to go to the registrar office, say in the morning of the day or before your wedding day to go through the normal civil marriage requirements with the bride, groom and two witnesses, and then have your wedding/marriage blessing with the minister officiating and family, friends and guests in attendance later. The venue for your wedding can then be done anywhere, since you will have already followed the normal legal registration requirements and the vows you take with the minister will be the same as if you were in church.The above process is close to the French system, where couples must first register at the local registrar office before having their church wedding. However, at some point in the future ministers will be given the role of Appointed Persons by the General Registrar Office for conducting marriages anywhere, as opposed to how it is currently at the moment with venues and places of worship that need to be registered. Though for the time being, the Government have put their plans on hold. So the only way to effectively be married anywhere at a place of your choosing outside of a place of worship (church) must be done in conformity with the above. If you would like to find out more about this, then please feel free to give us a call.

Hope this helps clarify things.

crafter · 01-07-2008, 04:41 PM

Hi

I live in Scotland.
Congratulations on your engagement.
Are you both members of a church? Have you spoken to your Pastor if you have one? Maybe he will be happy to hold the wedding outdoors. I think it is important you have a Christian wedding when you are Christian's.

I got married in my own church of which i am a member, i am sure my Pastor would have married us and held a Christian service where we wanted. But we had it in my church as that's what we wanted.

If i can help just ask.

09-14-2007, 06:39 PM	#11 (permalink)
Housesitter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: England Posts: 3,492 Rep Power: 5	My son is a minister and licenced marriage officer. He is in Liverpool England. I have sent him an email asking for clarification and will post the result when he replies. __________________ Ray Enjoy a rent free holiday with Christian House Sitters www.christian-housesitters.com

09-14-2007, 07:29 PM	#13 (permalink)
violet Join Date: May 2007 Location: England Posts: 8,175 Blog Entries: 13 Rep Power: 10	Wow, this does not apply on private property as well, does it? __________________ Violet Matthew 10:38 ....he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

09-15-2007, 08:59 AM	#17 (permalink)
Housesitter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: England Posts: 3,492 Rep Power: 5	OK. It seems that in Scotland the law is different so a minister can marry you in loads of places but in England and Wales a minister can marry you in their church if they are a licenced marriage officer. If they are CoE then they are automatically licenced. Non denominational are frequently not licenced so check. If the marriage is not in a church the civil marriage officer performs the 'legal' aspect. This is not in any way religious. But and here I am quoting: As the law in England and Wales stands, in order to have your Christian wedding service outside of a church: You must have the normal civil ceremony at your chosen venue with the registrar, the bride, groom and two witnesses just a few minutes before the main wedding/marriage blessing with your family, friends and guests in attendance. This standard of practice is fully acceptable with all local registrars when using licensed venues. The alternative is to go to the registrar office, say in the morning of the day or before your wedding day to go through the normal civil marriage requirements with the bride, groom and two witnesses, and then have your wedding/marriage blessing with the minister officiating and family, friends and guests in attendance later. The venue for your wedding can then be done anywhere, since you will have already followed the normal legal registration requirements and the vows you take with the minister will be the same as if you were in church.The above process is close to the French system, where couples must first register at the local registrar office before having their church wedding. However, at some point in the future ministers will be given the role of Appointed Persons by the General Registrar Office for conducting marriages anywhere, as opposed to how it is currently at the moment with venues and places of worship that need to be registered. Though for the time being, the Government have put their plans on hold. So the only way to effectively be married anywhere at a place of your choosing outside of a place of worship (church) must be done in conformity with the above. If you would like to find out more about this, then please feel free to give us a call. Hope this helps clarify things. __________________ Ray Enjoy a rent free holiday with Christian House Sitters www.christian-housesitters.com

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09-14-2007, 07:05 PM	#12 (permalink)
ReginaPhlange Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Lancs Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	Thanks housesitter, thats most helpful

09-14-2007, 07:31 PM	#14 (permalink)
ReginaPhlange Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Lancs Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	I would of thought so. It's all about it being legal. Here in the UK, as I understand it at the moment, only a civil registrar or Church of England minister can legally marry people. So, at other church weddings, a registrar needs to be present.

09-14-2007, 07:34 PM	#15 (permalink)
CSchultz Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 404 Rep Power: 1	Sheeeeesh. I don't suppose you can count on any relief after the November elections?

01-07-2008, 04:41 PM	#18 (permalink)
crafter Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Scotland Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	Hi I live in Scotland. Congratulations on your engagement. Are you both members of a church? Have you spoken to your Pastor if you have one? Maybe he will be happy to hold the wedding outdoors. I think it is important you have a Christian wedding when you are Christian's. I got married in my own church of which i am a member, i am sure my Pastor would have married us and held a Christian service where we wanted. But we had it in my church as that's what we wanted. If i can help just ask.