Must one Hold to the trinity to be saved?

[Cooper]

and where this makes the most sense is when two or more people, filled with the Holy Spirit, are gathered together Jesus is in the midst.

does that make sense? a bunch of people full of the Holy Spirit together but we get Jesus in the midst. why not the Holy Spirit in the midst? the Holy Spirit is inside the Believers. so shouldn't the Holy Spirit be in the midst of Holy Spirit filled people? instead, it is Jesus. I agree with this statement from you [I am not Oneness. Neither am I the sort of Trinitarian who divides the One God into three parts.]

clearly when Holy Spirit filled Believers are gathered and it is Jesus in the midst proves this portion of your statement [Neither am I the sort of Trinitarian who divides the One God into three parts].

Jesus said, “where two or three are gathered together in my name there am I in the midst.” and if we turn to Revelation 3:20 we read “Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hears my voice, and opens the door, I will come in to him and will sup with him, and he with me.” Obviously, this is not in the physical sense, but in and through the Holy Spirit. As we know, God is Spirit and when people of one mind come together to praise God in all His fulness, the doors of their hearts being flung wide open to the Holy Spirit, we enter into the presence of God and He with us, the same as in the early church.

We need this in our churches today. When people say, the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is not the Father, according to the doctrine of Trinitarianism, they deny the fulness and the deity of God three times over. God is no longer present, congregations dwindle and churches close.
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[YeshuaFan]

Jesus....Lazarus....!!!!!

Jesus was the first and so far only to have been risen in his physical and bodily gloried body, same pattern for the ones that we shall one day be given at His Second Coming !

 

[YeshuaFan]

Meaning a human person.

Jesus was and is a Human person!

 

[YeshuaFan]

I am not Oneness. Neither am I the sort of Trinitarian who divides the One God into three parts.

We do not divide God into 3 parts, as its # persons within the Godhead!
Its not each is 1/3 God, but that each fully is God!

 

[YeshuaFan]

You understand me and my faith. I am Pentecostal.

Oneness , Jesus Only?

 

[YeshuaFan]

and where this makes the most sense is when two or more people, filled with the Holy Spirit, are gathered together Jesus is in the midst.

does that make sense? a bunch of people full of the Holy Spirit together but we get Jesus in the midst. why not the Holy Spirit in the midst? the Holy Spirit is inside the Believers. so shouldn't the Holy Spirit be in the midst of Holy Spirit filled people? instead, it is Jesus. I agree with this statement from you [I am not Oneness. Neither am I the sort of Trinitarian who divides the One God into three parts.]

clearly when Holy Spirit filled Believers are gathered and it is Jesus in the midst proves this portion of your statement [Neither am I the sort of Trinitarian who divides the One God into three parts].

The Holy Spirit is within each saved person, but is also outside, as he is very God, and Jesus is right now in heaven!

 

[YeshuaFan]

Jesus said, “where two or three are gathered together in my name there am I in the midst.” and if we turn to Revelation 3:20 we read “Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hears my voice, and opens the door, I will come in to him and will sup with him, and he with me.” Obviously, this is not in the physical sense, but in and through the Holy Spirit. As we know, God is Spirit and when people of one mind come together to praise God in all His fulness, the doors of their hearts being flung wide open to the Holy Spirit, we enter into the presence of God and He with us, the same as in the early church.

We need this in our churches today. When people say, the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is not the Father, according to the doctrine of Trinitarianism, they deny the fulness and the deity of God three times over. God is no longer present, congregations dwindle and churches close.
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Are you Jesus only?

 

[YeshuaFan]

One day we shall bow down before him. I do wish people would come to him in faith believing.

Do you deny that Jesus is fully God and man?

 

[YeshuaFan]

And I say that it is impossible for Jesus to never have existed with the 'image of man' before He was born in the flesh. My testimony is The Word of God when Jesus met Abraham with that image of man per Genesis 18, and also when He was in His Messenger role as The Angel of The Lord.

If He has no image appearance as 'man', which God showed is His Own Heavenly Image He created Adam with, then that would mean God and His Son in the Heavenly are just vapor with NO form, which is actually an ancient eastern belief. It is even one of the ideas we are warned about in Daniel 11:38 about a false god of forces.

God is Spirit, and He never had the form of a man unril the Incarnation!

 

[YeshuaFan]

actually, 1 John 5:7 does appear in all 3 Codexes (Alexandrian-Vaticanus-Sinaiticus) but they all 3 read the same:
but it reads:
6 This is he that came through water and blood, Jesus Christ: not in the water only, but in the water and in the blood; and it is the Spirit that testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.

7 For they that testify are three,

8 the Spirit, and the water, and the blood, and the three are one.

the Codexes were 1,000+ years before the KJV.

When was 1 John 5:7 added to the Bible? - Quora​

https://www.quora.com › When-was-1-John-5-7-added-to...

The text of 1 John 5:7 is not found in any Greek texts before the 12th century.
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so 1 John 5:7 is an ADD-ON, which is condemned by God in John's Book of Revelation.

There was and is NO textual Green text proof for it, as was copied over into the TR from Latin glosses!

 

[YeshuaFan]

More specifically, in the 'outward' image likeness of God, in the form sense?

I grasp how some believe that Adam was made in the 'spiritual image' of God, with that not having anything to do with outward likeness or form. I'm not talking about a spiritual image. I'm talking about the image of man, one's outward likeness being the same likeness that God has.

Image of God had NOTHING to do with physical form and appearance, as God is Spirit!

 

[Cooper]

I need to put you on ignore YeshuaFan. Sorry.

 

[Big Moose]

I can not agree Moose. Now THINK that through Moose. All the way to TODAY.

IF the "Sons of God" in Genesis 6 are angels then they must be fallen angels because good angels would never sin and fornicate with humans.

So the 1st thing you need to do is explain why Jesus Lied in Matthew 22:30 when He said that angels do not marry/reproduce.
If the angels in heaven do not have the ability to have sexual relations then there is absolutely NO Bible reference to support the idea that they did in Genesis.

Then 2nd, IF...IF those demons did have sex with humans and had children, then DEMON DNA would have been in the human line.
That means YOU and ME and no one else is saved because of the DEMON DNA that would have come through Mary and polluted the genes.

Now we can say that all the "Daughters of Men" were killed in the flood, but there were 8 people who did not die and 6 of them went on to repopulate the earth. We do not know about the 3 wives of Noah's children.

If only ONE was not of the line of Seth then NO ONE IS SAVED. By the way........And the sons of Ham and his wife came the nations of Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan. It has been proven that Canaan was one of the most dispicable nations in all of history.

Let's look at Matthew:

Matthew 22
28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

In 28, they say "they all had her" of course meaning sex. In 30, Jesus is talking about marriage not sex. He was answering their question as to who would be married, not who would have sex.

And about demon blood lines, that was part of the purpose of the Flood, to get rid of the demon blood lines. That and the wickedness of mankind.

 

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[GodisSpirit]

I can not agree Moose. Now THINK that through Moose. All the way to TODAY.

IF the "Sons of God" in Genesis 6 are angels then they must be fallen angels because good angels would never sin and fornicate with humans.

So the 1st thing you need to do is explain why Jesus Lied in Matthew 22:30 when He said that angels do not marry/reproduce.
If the angels in heaven do not have the ability to have sexual relations then there is absolutely NO Bible reference to support the idea that they did in Genesis.

Then 2nd, IF...IF those demons did have sex with humans and had children, then DEMON DNA would have been in the human line.
That means YOU and ME and no one else is saved because of the DEMON DNA that would have come through Mary and polluted the genes.

Now we can say that all the "Daughters of Men" were killed in the flood, but there were 8 people who did not die and 6 of them went on to repopulate the earth. We do not know about the 3 wives of Noah's children.

If only ONE was not of the line of Seth then NO ONE IS SAVED. By the way........And the sons of Ham and his wife came the nations of Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan. It has been proven that Canaan was one of the most dispicable nations in all of history.

the Holy Spirit planted the SEED of God into Mary's Womb and never touched her sexually.
Genesis 6 does not say they were intimate. it says the women BORE for them.
Fallen Angels would have done same way as how Mary became pregnant.

ד הַנְּפִלִים הָיוּ בָאָרֶץ, בַּיָּמִים הָהֵם, וְגַם אַחֲרֵי-כֵן אֲשֶׁר יָבֹאוּ בְּנֵי הָאֱלֹהִים אֶל-בְּנוֹת הָאָדָם, וְיָלְדוּ לָהֶם: הֵמָּה הַגִּבֹּרִים אֲשֶׁר מֵעוֹלָם, אַנְשֵׁי הַשֵּׁם. {פ}

4 The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them; the same were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown.

 

[GodisSpirit]

There was and is NO textual Green text proof for it, as was copied over into the TR from Latin glosses!

i highly doubt that knowing it is claimed that Jerome used the Codex Sinaiticus when he translated the Greek into Latin around 375 AD

here's 1 John 5:7 from Jerome's Vulgate:

7	quia tres sunt qui testimonium dant And there are Three who give testimony

notice, it reflects the same as the Codexes of that time period:

7 For they that testify are three,

 

[Dave F.]

Keeping with the thread, Jesus told one of the criminals on the cross that they would be together in paradise. I don't believe said criminal knew anything about the trinity. There is no requirement to understand the trinity for salvation. As we grow in knowledge we learn about the holy trinity and continue to learn.

 

[GodisSpirit]

The Holy Spirit is within each saved person, but is also outside, as he is very God, and Jesus is right now in heaven!

and yet we read when Believers are gathered together in His Name HE is in the midst. so He is in Heaven and His presence is on Earth when Believers are gathered in His Name.

 

[GodisSpirit]

Keeping with the thread, Jesus told one of the criminals on the cross that they would be together in paradise. I don't believe said criminal knew anything about the trinity. There is no requirement to understand the trinity for salvation. As we grow in knowledge we learn about the holy trinity and continue to learn.

oh, were not allowed to respond to posts that have been quoted toward us?
ok
then i will add this
Romans 10:
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
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that says nothing about believing in the trinity either.