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'And the LORD said,
"Behold
The people is one,
and they have all one language;
and this they begin to do:
and now
nothing will be restrained from them,
which they have imagined to do ... '

(Gen.11:6)

Hello @geralduk,

Thank you for responding. I was thinking more in terms of them being all of one language, communication was no problem, they were one in that regard, and became one in purpose also, to go their own way and to ignore the known will of God for them.

God could see that nothing would be a restraint for them to do anything that they should 'imagine' to do. So God placed a restraint upon them, by confounding their speech.

In our day, communication has never been easier, and language restraints are becoming less of a problem. Man is becoming global in more ways than one, and I fear that they are now without restraint.

In regard to science, especially medical science, which this thread ventures into in with the subject of DNA, I see man leaping forward: in embryo research for example, and wonder where it is going to lead.

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
'And the LORD said,
"Behold
The people is one,
and they have all one language;
and this they begin to do:
and now
nothing will be restrained from them,
which they have imagined to do ... '

(Gen.11:6)

Hello @geralduk,

Thank you for responding. I was thinking more in terms of them being all of one language, communication was no problem, they were one in that regard, and became one in purpose also, to go their own way and to ignore the known will of God for them.

God could see that nothing would be a restraint for them to do anything that they should 'imagine' to do. So God placed a restraint upon them, by confounding their speech.

In our day, communication has never been easier, and language restraints are becoming less of a problem. Man is becoming global in more ways than one, and I fear that they are now without restraint.

In regard to science, especially medical science, which this thread ventures into in with the subject of DNA, I see man leaping forward: in embryo research for example, and wonder where it is going to lead.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

While not all of one language it seems mans heart is towards evil continually.
The Word of God is truly the Word of God. and speaks of the past present and future .
Prophecy being history written in advance.
The church has got to coem to the place and understand it is not of this world even as the Lord wa snot of this world and it "passeth away with the using"
That the future for every child of God has been not only secured but to some extent has been shown in the scriptures.If the church then is seeking some other 'future' it is out of the will of God . If its objectives are different than what Gods are it is out of the will fo God.
Evolution that great lie of the devil. Gives but "so called science" (Paul calls it) the intellectual framework for all manner of evil ,racism for one. But in medical science the 'justification' for embryonic research and genetic and DNA mixing of one "kind " with another kind which is an abomination to the Lord who has fixed all their boundaries.
Perhaps the result will be those unclean animals so prevelant in the book of revelation ?
Be that as it may .Men presume many things that they say they understand and know .
This is certain with DNA and Genes they know not only very little but know even less of the consequences in their manipulations .It is perhaps another reason why God is justfied in cleansing this earth with fire . When all that is not of God will; be burnt up and consumed.

in Christ
gerald
 
Hos 4:6 (KJV)
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.​
 
My prayers and any mans prayers in of and by themselves do nothing.
We of ourselves cannot move a micron by our prayers.
It is GOD answering our prayers "that doeth the work"
and He will NOT answer any prayer" we ask amiss"
and it mattered not if 10,000,000 people fasted and prayed for a thing that God was not willing to give .Nothing would happen.
Nor does the same MAKE God do anything as if he was unwilling to give it.
If we are true BORN children of God of the water (Word ) and the Spirit we are not to be flipping on and off at all.
We are CRUCIFIED ............................WITH.........................CHRIST.
BURIED.................................WITH.................................CHRIST.
A seed is consistent with itself .
Of what seed are you then? Or of what SORT?
If ye are of a corruptable seed which is of the first Adam. Then you are a sinner and will do what is right in your own eyes and ultimately are serving the devil.
If you are BORNagain ye are of an inccoruptable seed and will do what is right in Gods eyes and serve God.
There is the law of the seed. That every seed will bring forth fruit after its own kind.
How then do you say we can so easily (n so many words) 'flip' from one to the other?
Do you not know that they who have died to sin cannot live in it?
How is it then you are deceived into thinking you have power to flip from one to the other and back again and continue to do so?
Know ye not ye may well flip and not flip back again?
Do you not fear God?
When we pray it is not man that does the work. It is God and what then do we pray for?
For His glory or for ours? According to the will of God or mans?

in Christ
Gerald
God says otherwise.

Prov 23:7 (KJV)
For as he thinketh in his heart, so [is] he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart [is] not with thee.​

2Pet 1:3-8 (KJV)
According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that [pertain] unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make [you that ye shall] neither [be] barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.​

Stick to the word of God Gerald, stick to the word.
 
So, if I'm given a promise by God and I act on said promise, how is it people think I'm the one doing it? No real Christian would knowingly take God's glory. After all, they are ALL His promises and we only have access as joint-heirs with Christ by His doing. Therefore there is NO excuse for sinful living. He made us free from sin. When we are obedient and believe, we have everything. After all, He is our Shepherd and I shall NOT want. When I'm obedient and believe I can have whatever I desire for God's glory. It's a promise. Since I know many don't believe the word of God, I'll show you (I had to learn this too!):

Mark 11:22-24
And Jesus answered them, “Have faith in God. Truly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be taken up and thrown into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that what he says will come to pass, it will be done for him. Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

This is the heart of the matter isn't it. Do we believe the word of God, the words from Jesus' own lips, or do we build a false theology to explain away the weakness in our faith and declare "That's the for apostles only." So why does Paul, Peter, Hebrew, John and James say the same things? Why does David, Moses, Isaiah and Solomon also say the same thing? I believe this lie of the devil that it's for the apostles only is because men love sin and because they love sin, they are ineffectual and without power, just as the word of God says:

Meditate on these verses:

2 Pet 1:3-8 (NET)
I can pray this because his divine power has bestowed on us everything necessary for life and godliness through the rich knowledge of the one who called us by his own glory and excellence. Through these things he has bestowed on us his precious and most magnificent promises, so that by means of what was promised you may become partakers of the divine nature, after escaping the worldly corruption that is produced by evil desire. For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith excellence, to excellence, knowledge; to knowledge, self-control; to self-control, perseverance; to perseverance, godliness; to godliness, brotherly affection; to brotherly affection, unselfish love. For if these things are really yours and are continually increasing, they will keep you from becoming ineffective and unproductive in your pursuit of knowing our Lord Jesus Christ more intimately.​

Notice the process:
  1. He gives us everything we need for life and godliness --- how?
  2. through the rich knowledge of Jesus
  3. Then when we see Him and what He did, we have His precious and most magnificent promises!
  4. So that through these believed promises, we partake of the divine nature (salvation!)
  5. Which helps us escape the worldly corruption by evil desires
  6. And it all starts with faith, then because of faith, excellence, then knowledge (because learn that faith works), then self-control, the perseverance (patience), then that leads to godliness, then love for fellow Christians and then love for all, just like God.
So then, if these things are indeed yours and you're growing in them, they will keep you effective and producing in finding more and more and more and more of Jesus.

I'll bet you read these verses over the years and maybe even memorized them, but never quite knew them like this. It is the way to having your prayers answered. How many ineffective Christians do you know? (Hint: you're chatting with one!) I am learning this right along with you.

Glory to God He's so awesome! I wish I had learned this 20 years ago!
 
God says otherwise.

Prov 23:7 (KJV)
For as he thinketh in his heart, so [is] he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart [is] not with thee.​

2Pet 1:3-8 (KJV)
According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that [pertain] unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make [you that ye shall] neither [be] barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.​

Stick to the word of God Gerald, stick to the word.

How does the above have any bearing as to what happens in prayer?
When Peter and John went throught the gate that was called beutifull. and saw a man lame from birth begging. They said "look on us"
But after that the man was healed and men began to praise them .He said "why look on us as if by our own holiness and ability we have done this thing?" It was faith in the name of Jesus Christ. Or in other words it was in the name of Jesus that this was acopmplished . The power and the glory belongs to God alone.
When the Serophonecian women cried unto the Lord "Son of David have mercy upon me " when the Lord did not at first answer her and she kept crying the disciples got the wrong idea and said "she crieth unto US......" She was not . It was not the disciples who she needed and wanted but the Lord.

Your verse quoted though not denied says "that ye be not barren or unfruitful IN THE KNOWLEDGE OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST"
The argument about DNA has no basis in scripture . About prayer much .
in Christ
gerald
 
Again, confession is how this is done, Rom 10:9-10. Faith comes by hearing the word of God. Speaking the word of God does two things: it speaks the truth, and builds our faith!

Prov 18:21 (NET)
Death and life are in the power of the tongue, and those who love its use will eat its fruit.​

You confess death, death you reap. You confess life, life you reap. The fruit of your mouth invokes the unseen. Faith is the EVIDENCE of things NOT seen. Speak them into existence by the promises of God through faith just as God did.

Jesus repeats this:

Matthew 12:36-37
I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak, for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”​

That mountain Jesus mention, it could be cancer, it could be financial woes, it could be anything you need to move. God gave us the power if we only believe.
 
So, if I'm given a promise by God and I act on said promise, how is it people think I'm the one doing it? No real Christian would knowingly take God's glory. After all, they are ALL His promises and we only have access as joint-heirs with Christ by His doing. Therefore there is NO excuse for sinful living. He made us free from sin. When we are obedient and believe, we have everything. After all, He is our Shepherd and I shall NOT want. When I'm obedient and believe I can have whatever I desire for God's glory. It's a promise. Since I know many don't believe the word of God, I'll show you (I had to learn this too!):

Mark 11:22-24
And Jesus answered them, “Have faith in God. Truly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be taken up and thrown into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that what he says will come to pass, it will be done for him. Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

This is the heart of the matter isn't it. Do we believe the word of God, the words from Jesus' own lips, or do we build a false theology to explain away the weakness in our faith and declare "That's the for apostles only." So why does Paul, Peter, Hebrew, John and James say the same things? Why does David, Moses, Isaiah and Solomon also say the same thing? I believe this lie of the devil that it's for the apostles only is because men love sin and because they love sin, they are ineffectual and without power, just as the word of God says:

Meditate on these verses:

2 Pet 1:3-8 (NET)
I can pray this because his divine power has bestowed on us everything necessary for life and godliness through the rich knowledge of the one who called us by his own glory and excellence. Through these things he has bestowed on us his precious and most magnificent promises, so that by means of what was promised you may become partakers of the divine nature, after escaping the worldly corruption that is produced by evil desire. For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith excellence, to excellence, knowledge; to knowledge, self-control; to self-control, perseverance; to perseverance, godliness; to godliness, brotherly affection; to brotherly affection, unselfish love. For if these things are really yours and are continually increasing, they will keep you from becoming ineffective and unproductive in your pursuit of knowing our Lord Jesus Christ more intimately.​

Notice the process:
  1. He gives us everything we need for life and godliness --- how?
  2. through the rich knowledge of Jesus
  3. Then when we see Him and what He did, we have His precious and most magnificent promises!
  4. So that through these believed promises, we partake of the divine nature (salvation!)
  5. Which helps us escape the worldly corruption by evil desires
  6. And it all starts with faith, then because of faith, excellence, then knowledge (because learn that faith works), then self-control, the perseverance (patience), then that leads to godliness, then love for fellow Christians and then love for all, just like God.
So then, if these things are indeed yours and you're growing in them, they will keep you effective and producing in finding more and more and more and more of Jesus.

I'll bet you read these verses over the years and maybe even memorized them, but never quite knew them like this. It is the way to having your prayers answered. How many ineffective Christians do you know? (Hint: you're chatting with one!) I am learning this right along with you.

Glory to God He's so awesome! I wish I had learned this 20 years ago!

I would like to point out that to" become partakers of the divine nature " is more than salvation as some put it beign BORNagain,.
For even as were were all at some point in times past by nature " children of wrath " and children of disobedience " we have now a new nature .For they who are joined to the Lord are of one Spirit .
For even as we have a new life ;eternal life we have now in Christ a new nature also.
"Little children ye know the father and your sins are forgiven you"
When was the last time you heard preached ...... "Ye young men the word fo God abideth in you richly and ye have overome the wicked one"?
"Ye fathers ye know Him who is from the beginning"
Surely if ye know the father ;ye know HIm who is from the beginning? clearly not.
You know that he loves you , that He provides for you and that he comes in and goes out .But little children know not his ways only his acts ,
and their experience fluctuates .
To know Him who is from the beginning in any measure. You needs must believe and know His word who inpsired men to write "In the beginnign God created the heaven and the earth" and all that follows .if you do not how can you know Him who first spake it? For he that recieveth His word recieveth Him that spake it .
Moreover we have been grafted into a tree one could even say a family tree whos roots are so deep that they are in Him who was from before the foundations of the earth . Even in Him.
The days are fast aproaching and now is when we will need to understand how deep our roots grow IN Him.
for of a truth while I do not know all there is to know about Him who is from the beginning . This is certain.
If any man does know Him who is from the beginning . The world the flesh and the devil will hold no terrors or diversions for him nor will he be moved by them or dismayed by what the world the flesh and the devil will do or throw at him.
For he is in Christ and his life is hid with Christ in God. and Christ is IN Him and he is IN Christ and nothing can pluck that man out of His hands .
For while it is good that he has the Lord or that the Lord is his. Far better is it to know that ye are the Lords and He has you.

in Christ
gerald


in Christ
gerald
 
How does the above have any bearing as to what happens in prayer?
Prov 18:21 (NET)
Death and life are in the power of the tongue, and those who love its use will eat its fruit.
Matt 15:18 (NET)
But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these things defile a person.​

If one believes in their heart themselves to be worthless and evil and unworthy, they confess this all the day long. This is contrary to the word of God, 1 Cor 1:30-31.

Proverbs 17:15
He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both [are] abomination to the LORD.​
 
I would like to point out that to" become partakers of the divine nature " is more than salvation as some put it beign BORNagain,.
For even as were were all at some point in times past by nature " children of wrath " and children of disobedience " we have now a new nature .For they who are joined to the Lord are of one Spirit .
For even as we have a new life ;eternal life we have now in Christ a new nature also.
"Little children ye know the father and your sins are forgiven you"
When was the last time you heard preached ...... "Ye young men the word fo God abideth in you richly and ye have overome the wicked one"?
"Ye fathers ye know Him who is from the beginning"
Surely if ye know the father ;ye know HIm who is from the beginning? clearly not.
You know that he loves you , that He provides for you and that he comes in and goes out .But little children know not his ways only his acts ,
and their experience fluctuates .
To know Him who is from the beginning in any measure. You needs must believe and know His word who inpsired men to write "In the beginnign God created the heaven and the earth" and all that follows .if you do not how can you know Him who first spake it? For he that recieveth His word recieveth Him that spake it .
Moreover we have been grafted into a tree one could even say a family tree whos roots are so deep that they are in Him who was from before the foundations of the earth . Even in Him.
The days are fast aproaching and now is when we will need to understand how deep our roots grow IN Him.
for of a truth while I do not know all there is to know about Him who is from the beginning . This is certain.
If any man does know Him who is from the beginning . The world the flesh and the devil will hold no terrors or diversions for him nor will he be moved by them or dismayed by what the world the flesh and the devil will do or throw at him.
For he is in Christ and his life is hid with Christ in God. and Christ is IN Him and he is IN Christ and nothing can pluck that man out of His hands .
For while it is good that he has the Lord or that the Lord is his. Far better is it to know that ye are the Lords and He has you.

in Christ
gerald


in Christ
gerald
Correct. So why continue in sin. Repent and be whole. That is God's promise. Joel 2:32, Romans 10:8-9. Then you can ask anything in His Name, He will do it for the glory of the Father, John 14:13-14.
 
Again, confession is how this is done, Rom 10:9-10. Faith comes by hearing the word of God. Speaking the word of God does two things: it speaks the truth, and builds our faith!

Prov 18:21 (NET)
Death and life are in the power of the tongue, and those who love its use will eat its fruit.​

You confess death, death you reap. You confess life, life you reap. The fruit of your mouth invokes the unseen. Faith is the EVIDENCE of things NOT seen. Speak them into existence by the promises of God through faith just as God did.

Jesus repeats this:

Matthew 12:36-37
I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak, for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”​

That mountain Jesus mention, it could be cancer, it could be financial woes, it could be anything you need to move. God gave us the power if we only believe.

We do not bring things into "existence" but rather they are made manifest by God. Not the same thing.
A man can to some extent destroy anothers character by his words to another in their eyes .
Yet the man is not changed by anothers misconception of him.
Our words alone do NOT do any thing in of and by themselves.
I have to point out that Jesus Himself said "The Words that I speak are not my own words bu the FATHER who is IN me ,HE DOETH THE WORK"
If the lord Himself gave no glory to himself but all to the Father .
How then can you or I?
For is not the truth of it if it be true . That the wordfs we may speak or confess are not our own words but the Son who is IN us He doeth the work"?
For is it not Christ IN you the hope of glory"?
"With the heart man believeth ...................." He believes that Jesus died for him and rose again from the dead"
with his mouth he confesses the truth not only of himself but above all of Jesus Christ . For in speakign the truth about himself a sinner he by speakign the truth about Jesus Christ confesses also Christ .
and what God has wrought in his heart and which is UNSEEN is by confession made manifest and he is saved.
For if a man will confess Christ on earth where it IS seen . The Lord confesses him to the father who is NOT seen.
and what ahs been wrought in the heart which is not seen is made manifest progressively in the life that is .

The power and the glory if you rememeber belongeth unto God and he will not give His glory to another .
Thus in the very matter of prayer that you say the glory belongs to us .
Jesus taught that the glory and the power belongeth unto God and in our praying we are to acknowledge it.
If then it is still in doubt.
"God has put his power in earthen vessels so that the excellency of the power may be manifest that it is of God and not of ourselves"
It is not our prayers that do the work it ios God who answers who does it .
and if we say to this mountain then it is not our words that are our OWN that doeth it but it is Christ IN us who doeth the WORK"
In Christ
gerald
 
We do not bring things into "existence" but rather they are made manifest by God. Not the same thing.
Prove it. Heb 11:1, and Pro 18:21 say otherwise, as well as every verse I've posted. I'm sorry you don't have the faith in God's promises. Good night.
 
Correct. So why continue in sin. Repent and be whole. That is God's promise. Joel 2:32, Romans 10:8-9. Then you can ask anything in His Name, He will do it for the glory of the Father, John 14:13-14.

Ask anything in His name?

IN His name being the primary thing .
It does not mean we can ASK anything ................ in His name.
I want a new merc a bigger car to be rich or anything that will fill my own lusts . As some have made it.

It means anything I ask that I SEE and understand IN Christ that is needed, that is from Gods perspective .
There were very few people who the Lord said to them "what would you have me do ...."
and by that they could have asked anything and the lord would have done it for them.
Yet when the Serophonecian woman who he said that too told him what she wanted .
He replied on the face of it in the negative .
"I have come to the lost sheep of the house of Israel " it is not meet that I give the childrens bread to the dogs"
Rather than reject his words she embraced them and said "true Lord but even the dogs eat from the crumbs that fall from ther table" The Lord replied "..great is thy faith...." and she received what she wanted .
There are only two people in the Gospels that the lord said had "great faith" and they were both gentiles .
Why then did they have great faith and peter who walked on water TO the lord and came back WITH Him to the boat also walking on the water he said "ye of little faith"?

Because the womans faith reached from one dispensation (to the lost sheep of Israel) to the next one .(to the gentiles .
and in doing so the <Lord was able to give what she desired for her daughter.
But before she uttered those words she received nothing .
For when she called upon the Lord "Son of David have mercy upon me " He did not answer her ,because she despite her faith at that time asked amiss. For beign a gentile she could not call upon Him as Son of David .
It was when she lost all an called Him Lord have mercy upon me that she got her first response. Or answer.
God is a God of order.
if you ask in MY name says the lord .
THAT is a HIGH order.
True it is we may boldly enter into the Holy of Holies . But I would argue it is still only ONE that does .
But now it is the one of "OUR Father"
It is the ONE of "that they might be one even as we are one"
it si the one of "they that are joined to the Lord are of one spirit "
It is the one that is of the "unity of the faith"
For before you may enter into the Holy of holies ye must put off the worldly or old man and put on Christ .
Even as the priests of the old tabernacle had to put on their robes to do so .
and before you can after that ye must needs wash your hands (work) and feet(walk) at the place of washing that was after the place of sacrifice and before the tabernacle of God.
Most people do not are unwilling or have not been taught that before you ascend the hill of the Lord you must have a clean hands (towards men) and a pure heart (towards God)
They are taught not that God is Holy and we too then must be Holy .
They are taught about the POWERR!!!!!!!!!! but not that if you want to excersise authority you have to be in submission to that authority .
When you climb a hill as you do so you see more than you did when you are at the bottom of the hill.
To climb the hill of the Lord as you do so the more you see things form HIS perspective.
and less of yours .
When we pray in or from the outer court we see things only from the light of the sunb as it were by the natural light .
But in the holy of Holies there is no light ,Save by the light of the 7 branched oil lamp that speaks of the Holy Spirit on the one hand and on the other the shew bread that speaks of the Word of God.
He we walk by faith not by sight in harmony with the Word of God and the Spirit of God.
in the outer court many believe God is their servant for he provides for them as fathers do their little children.
But in the Holy place we find out that we are Gods servant and while we may and should bring upon our hearts that which we see outside .Here in Gods presence above all we find that God has things to say and do also .
For what we see outside in the world (but not of it) we see those things in their true perspective before God.
David saw the prosperity of the wicked and he confessed to God "acted like a beast towards him" which was the truth .
Yet in the presence of God saw things in their true perspective.
When the 10 faithless spies saw what was what in then promised land they walked by sight .
The faithful spies saw the same things but in the true light of what God had alreasdy done in the last 40 DAYS who it was who was with them and what God had promised for the future.
and in THAT light the true light spoke in faith that we could go in and possses the land.
What a lot of people call faith is not faith at all very often it si presumption. at worse or hope at best /.
Faith sees or understands things as yet unseen or as it were afar off.
But are promised.
and acts or asks accordingly.

It is not then I who brings those things into existence for how then are they promised?
For it is not I who made the promise .
Then the glory and the power is to Him that promised not to him that prayed accordign to the promise.

in Christ
gerald
 
Prove it. Heb 11:1, and Pro 18:21 say otherwise, as well as every verse I've posted. I'm sorry you don't have the faith in God's promises. Good night.

I am not God and it is God that brings into existence and the glory and the power belongeth unto GOD.
It is not enough then that you stay with the verses YOU quoted . But in all truth you must or should also consider those verses that contradict the ones you quoted that are also relevant.

in Christ
gerald
 
Hos 4:6 (KJV)
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.​
Hello @Abdicate,

I need to understand where you are directing this verse: to what, or what company you are applying it?

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
- With gratitude for His finished work,
- and for the Will of God the Father who willed it,
- and for the Holy Spirit Who makes it known.

* Praise God! For worship in spirit and in truth! in the wee small hours of the morning!

Chris
 
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Prove it. Heb 11:1, and Pro 18:21 say otherwise, as well as every verse I've posted. I'm sorry you don't have the faith in God's promises. Good night.
Your teaching the "word of faith" doctrine THAT deifies man and makes ones faith a means to an end, while DENYING Gods Sovereignty. "Mind over matter" rt? So it's a lack of faith if God doesn't bring about what you ask??? God will do as He pleases! And is not subject to "words of faith"
 
Your teaching the "word of faith" doctrine THAT deifies man and makes ones faith a means to an end, while DENYING Gods Sovereignty. "Mind over matter" rt? So it's a lack of faith if God doesn't bring about what you ask??? God will do as He pleases! And is not subject to "words of faith"

That is not the truth in any point. If a person doesn't have faith and walk in it in all ways, and speak the word in faith, then he can't be surprised or dismayed that God doesn't honour it.
 
That is not the truth in any point. If a person doesn't have faith and walk in it in all ways, and speak the word in faith, then he can't be surprised or dismayed that God doesn't honour it.
So if a believer humbly ask God to take his or her cancer away and heal them, is it a lack of faith if God doesn't??
 
Keep in mind what you are asking for.
James 4:3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures. 4 Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. 5 Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain, “The Spirit who dwells in us yearns jealously”?

This from Genesis 8:21 And the Lord smelled a soothing aroma. Then the Lord said in His heart, “I will never again curse the ground for man’s sake, although the imagination of man’s heart is evil from his youth; nor will I again destroy every living thing as I have done.
 
As with everything there is a balance that is of sound doctrine.
My objection was that ALL the glory belongs to God as does the power.
For if Jesus said "the words that I speak are not my words bu the father who is in me he doeth the WORK" Who are we or anybody to glory save in Christ alone?
For not only is it written "Christ in you the hope of glory" But also "it is God that worketh with in you both to WILL and to WORK His good pleasure"
There is in truth a word of faith meaning we speak in Gods stead a word and it is done .
But note it is in GODS stead not ours.
But let us not presume as others have that it is by ourselves we even here do it .
For it si faith in HIS name and moving in accordance with the Spirit of God . Who then can get the glory or should save Jesus Christ alone?
The abuse of scripture and their error does not justify our own error in denying scripture.
For the scripture DOES say if you say to this mountain it shall be removed etc.
But people use the Word loosely and if they say the words 'in faith' then these things will come to pass and then blame the other when it does not for not having any faith .!
as if the words in of and by themselves are 'magic 'words . and all you need is faith in the witch dr(?) who will say the magic words and it will be done for them.
Not a lot different then from a priest in some ritualistic 'christian' services who thinks he can by 'faith' and the right order of words can turn ordinary bread and wine into the blood and body of our Lord Jesus Christ and thus "crucify Him afresh"
and to the many who believe such blasphemy.
It seems to me that there are some very basic teaching no longer taught in our churches today .
One of which is to what faith IS and what it is not. As defined by the scriptures not as defined by men or the world.
For what many call faith is only hope and while men go looking for faith they do not understand not only what faith IS but that all men have a measure of it to start with .Its just that it is not in God.
and what people REALY need is understanding .
For faith in GOD comes by not only hearing the Word of God,but by also understanding the word of God.
But as so many are pushed to quickly forwards into what is claimed are all sorts of things they are neither grounded in the Word of God as to understanding or have the understanding to have in the same measure the measure of faith.
Then some will say all you need is faith the size of a mustard seed?
well you may but then with that ask yourself then what is a" little faith"? and what is" great faith"? If all we need is faith as small as a mustard seed . For the same Lord that said that also said the other!
Abraham who is the father of the faithful. could not have offered up Issac at the beginning of his walk with God .Albeit he had faith . But His knowledge of God was small as too his faith . His commitment was in the beginning partial. At the end was total and perpetual.
His faith wavered often in the beginning for he was not always obedient , and was afraid at least twice to the extent he almost caused calamity for others.

In Christ
gerald
 
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