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Hello mattjanes grace and peace to you. I agree there are some things that can be hard to accept.
And therefore I do not see what is truth and know it to be truth and then reject it.
In an earlier post you mentioned
even if somebody goes before him and rejects God in a fit of rage, the suffering does not deserve an eternal consequence.
Do you believe that your judgments are true?
 
I don't know what the true interpretation of Scripture is. Therefore I do not see before me an interpretation of Scripture or a denomination that has what I would say the 100 percent complete spirit or purity of the truth.

And therefore I do not see what is truth and know it to be truth and then reject it.

No I'm very confused at this time. Not sure who to trust.
I would also ask, in your free-time...what do you do? Are you seeking to read and understand the scriptures? I know I spent days and days and hours and hours every day to understand the truth. If you don't work there IS NO REASON to not study the scriptures.
 
recently I have not been studying Scripture much. i used to read scripture daily and sometimes almost fanaticly, but I have fallen into too many pitfalls.

Instead of reading scripture I would like to see the Word of God being fulfilled. If God says he's going to do something for us I expect him to be faith full and not let his word return void.

my favorite scripture verse is about when I am weak then I am strong, the power of Christ is perfect in weakness.
I would also ask, in your free-time...what do you do? Are you seeking to read and understand the scriptures? I know I spent days and days and hours and hours every day to understand the truth. If you don't work there IS NO REASON to not study the scriptures.
 
Some early Christian father's had this belief. The belief that the soul is inherently eternal is not biblical. It came from Plato.

Our souls and spirits are immortal--with or without Christ. With Christ we live with Him, and without Him, we spend eternity in punishment. Annihilation would be a form of mercy. There is no mercy for evil.
 
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recently I have not been studying Scripture much. i used to read scripture daily and sometimes almost fanaticly, but I have fallen into too many pitfalls.

Instead of reading scripture I would like to see the Word of God being fulfilled. If God says he's going to do something for us I expect him to be faith full and not let his word return void.

my favorite scripture verse is about when I am weak then I am strong, the power of Christ is perfect in weakness.
Are you born-again? and why would you think God needs to honor His word to those who pick and choose what part they believe?
 
in Matthew 25 Jesus makes it very clear that the sheep are separated from the goats based upon that they were at work, I was hungry and you gave me to eat, thirsty you gave me to drink, naked and you clothed me, in prison you visited me, sick and you care for me.

what they did emphasis on DID, for the least of his people they did for him. what the goats did not do for the least of his people they did not do for him and they were punished for it. They were punished for what they failed to do, emphasis on DO

Our acts as believers are the byproduct of our faith. If we have no living faith in Christ, our good acts are powered and motivated by self only, and God judges that.

You do not understand the significance of the sheep and goats judgment, but suffice it to say, it is not THE judgment we will be undergoing. So, from your lack of understanding, you cannot use the word of God against Him and against faith---you fail when you even try.
 
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what's difficult for me ispeople can find scripture that leads them to opposite opinions. That which is in Scripture that motivates people to overcome pride, lust, anger, covetousness, envy, sloth, gluttony un forgiveness and every other vice, is clearly good and admirable.

There is much in Scripture that has confused me, and I've run into so many people that I thought the Holy Spirit was speaking through who preached some of the opposite things the previous person I thought the Lord called to be my teacher and spiritual director.

if I had a child who was lost and heading for destruction. & I knew I could give that child's all the clarity and understanding and let that child hear my voice clearly, to increase the likelihood of that child not falling off that Cliff, I would do what is ever necessary. So if I would do it for my child, God must love his children that much more, so I am waiting for him to give me understanding, and hopefully he will speak clearly.

God is speaking to you, but you are not listening. Who was it that led you here?
 
I hope God led me here. I will say however that I have also been a member of atheist forums and ex-Christian forums. Also have been to a Muslim forum. I suppose the devil must have lead me there eh?

Or perhaps there was nothing supernatural about it. As of now idk
 
I hope God led me here. I will say however that I have also been a member of atheist forums and ex-Christian forums. Also have been to a Muslim forum. I suppose the devil must have lead me there eh?

Or perhaps there was nothing supernatural about it. As of now idk
For the third time...are you born-again?
 
that actually is not off topic since this thread is about Hell and eternal suffering.
I'm not saying it's off topic. If you had asked a question I would have answered. I had a thread about annihilationism and it was locked by the mods because people couldn't stop insulting each other. If you have any questions about it I'd happily answer them, but I know that responding to Euphemia's post will cause an argument.
 
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I hope God led me here. I will say however that I have also been a member of atheist forums and ex-Christian forums. Also have been to a Muslim forum. I suppose the devil must have lead me there eh?

Or perhaps there was nothing supernatural about it. As of now idk

Which one do you think is the right one?
 
The soul is not eternal?

After reading some passages without any preconceived notions it appears not to be eternal.

John 3:16
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not PERISH but have eternal life.

Romans 6:23
23 For the wages of sin is DEATH; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
 
I'm not saying it's off topic. If you had asked a question I would have answered. I had a thread about annihilationism and it was locked by the mods because people couldn't stop insulting each other. If you have any questions about it I'd happily answer them, but I know that responding to Euphemia's post will cause an argument.
I told you. I'm convinced that I'm born again. As far as I know the answer is yes.
 
Morning Matt,

You said you wanted answers to the questions troubling you, well, let's look at Matt 25 concerning the sheep and the goats.

First let's use a guide for studying the Bible, let's answer these questions when reading the text,

Who, What, When, Where and How can I use the Truth presented in the text in my life.

Who - the nations (actually, to be more specific a race of people or a tribe)
What - how they treated His brothers (Jesus was born a Jew, hence His brothers would be the Jewish people)
When - at the end of the 7 year Tribulation period, choosing which nations would enter into His Millennial reign (the sheep) and which would not (the goats)
How can I use the Truth from this teaching in my own life - The Lord is not finished with His chosen people, so I must reject any form of Antisemitism and/or any false teaching that the Church has replaced Israel

However, like any Truth in the Word there are many facets to it that the Holy Spirit can use in our personal lives.

Ya got it?

Now, like my brother Mitspa and I have asked you, ...are you born again?

You said you thought you were and then you said you were not sure, here is how you can be sure,

1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Let's examine what Peter has written,

We are born again, not like our first birth which was the result of our father's corruptible seed (sperm) entering into the ovum in our mothers womb, but by seed that is incorruptible, since every human male is a descendent of Adam and his corruptible seed then this has to be talking about the Holy Spirit who's seed (sperm) is incorruptible.

What does Peter tell us is the ovum, the Word of God, putting it all together, Peter is telling us we are born again when the seed (sperm) of the Holy Spirit enters into a particular verse of the Word of God (ovum) and then he records the verse the Father used to regenerate him,

1Pe 1:24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: (Isa 40:6-8)

Then he goes on to say,

1Pe 1:25 But the word of the Lord abideth for ever. And this is the word of good tidings which was preached unto you.

The word word in the verse is not logs, but rhema, which means it is a spoken word, Father will speak a specific word to you/me/someone and that mixed with the seed of the Holy Spirit and the faith given to us at the moment Eph 2:8 cause us to be born again, .......regenerated spiritually or in our spirit.

So what can we deduce from this teaching, ...just like our first birth we know who our father and mother are and the day we were born, so too for our regeneration, we know our Father is the Holy Spirit, our mother is a specific verse the Father used and we know what day we were born again because we repented from our old lifestyle, for me it happens to be the same verse Father used to regenerate Peter, Isa 40:6-8 and I was born again at a Wednesday night bible Study in the month of July in '86 at or around 9:00PM.

So, do you know in your heart the verse Father used for you to be born again and can you remember the day it happened?

Every true born again child of God can answer these questions.



I hope that helps to clear up the confusion you have, so, are you born again or if not, would you like to be?

In His Love,

Gene
 
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