Michael, did you put me on your ignore list?
I never put anyone on my ignore list........ and I never give a dislike, or disagree or any other remark but positive ones. Never had, and never will as those remarks stay and one thread about one thing means nothing.
I think you've just given the key to understanding this confusion with the spirit.
The second man here is the one who is born again of the spirit, ie. a believer:
Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter
the kingdom
of God unless
they are
born of water and
the Spirit. (John 3:5)
This says nothing about unbelievers.
Where are the verses which show non-believers' spirits are tormented forever? Why take this as a default position.
All I've seen is speculation on how the spirit going back to God goes back for judgement (which seems to go against the bodily ressurections of Daniel 12 and Rev 20 for judgement). As I said before, I believe that the point of Ecclesiastes in saying this is to says that they are destined to become what they once were, before their creation, ie. nothing. That certainly fits with the immediate context, as in the verse directly after it says "Vanity of vanities (...) all is vanity."
That it does, nothing about the unbeliever.......
However, any body without the spirit is dead...... (James)
All men are created in the image of God, like God and God is a spirit...... (James)
To think a unsaved person is not a spirit being is not scriptural.
I need that scripture where the Soul is definitly destroyed in the Lake of fire, or Hades. Not in some valley Jesus made a reference to as to make a point about the real Hades, and not that God is just able to do it, as there are many scriptures that say God can, and nothing is to hard for him.
I just need those scriptures of a spirit and soul getting destroyed in Hades, Lake of fire.
Without that, I can't with good conscience tell folks that there is no eternal punishment when Jesus said there is.
All scripture has to be true, and not one contradicts another scriptures. There are so many doctrines to remove hell, and that should tell us something of it's own.
You end up with many doctrines because nobody can make a solid case for it and come at many different angles to prove it.
Just like the Trinity Doctrine, How many versions of that are there? Oneness, symbolism, modelism, and Trinity.