Food For Thought

Today on the weekly news wrap-up on FNC the link between Sandy Hook, in Newtown and the legal shooting of the burglar, 17 year old Trevon Martin by the, falsely portrayed, white man, George Zimmerman. George, first of all is a member of one of the most despised races in the Gulf Coast States, Spanish, and no one looking at this truly gentle man would ever accuse him of being white.

What is the connection? Well, those of you that that screamed at me for trying to talk sense into the subject can rest, you need to be but you are not likely to be sued as is now happening to the National News Media systems. Facebook, My Space and thousands of other social media forums made an issue of this and about a month later, or so, the News Media picked it up and began telling lies about it, also.

So you ask, what lie is told about the Sandy Hook shooting? Within minutes the older brother was slandered, just as was the young George Zimmerman. Reported surveys demonstrate that 83% of all Americans claim the Christ for their own and still, better than, 98% of those act just like the 7% claiming nothing to do with Christ. This is not an indictment, it is instead, food for thought.
 
I guess Im a slight bit confused? what exactly is the connection?
p13,
I'm sorry to see that you missed the point. The connection is people, called Christian, not using the wisdom of God and jumping to conclusions and then smearing the innocent. Followers of God do not act vicious, that is what the followers of Satan do. In the case of George Zimmerman, people, almost all of them naming the name of the Christ, jumped to false and unreasoned conclusions and called him a Racist Murderer. And at Sandy Hook the older brother of the killer was smeared by the media and before anyone had checked for the facts, these same people latched onto the lie and smeared it all over the Internet.
 
aaah ok. I apologize, I guess I just didnt understand what you were saying. I agree wholeheartedly with you.
Not a problem, I oft wish I was not a knuckle head but I am and in my case, I'm incurable. God had to use a baseball bat on me for bettewr than 22 years.
 
lol I wouldnt say that. I was just not understanding which is why I asked, thankyou for clarifying. And last I checked, God uses knuckleheads like us to. :D
 
Followers of God do not act vicious

Taking a human life is vicious. Slandering the innocent is vicious, but less so. A country that delights in "legal shootings" does not deserve to call itself Christian.
 
Who Said anything about being eager to. Just because one is willing to kill to protect the innocent doesn't mean they are eager to. It is important to see the difference and you should learn it before making any such accusations.
 
Theo,
You are young and, apparently, innocent. You are in need of a deep Bible Study. Get your head out of just the commentary, the New Testament, and study the Bible Jesus taught from. The one man described by God as "a man after the heart of God" is the weapon wielding King David. And as you do the study, remember John 1:1-3, Jesus is Yahweh! He is the same God that gave His human bodies life for your reconciliation to His will in battle on the cross.
 
Theo,
You are young and, apparently, innocent. You are in need of a deep Bible Study. Get your head out of just the commentary, the New Testament, and study the Bible Jesus taught from. The one man described by God as "a man after the heart of God" is the weapon wielding King David. And as you do the study, remember John 1:1-3, Jesus is Yahweh! He is the same God that gave His human bodies life for your reconciliation to His will in battle on the cross.

And if we read the bbok of Joshua, we see a man walking up to Joshua WITH HIS SWORD DRAWN.
That man was the pre-incarnant Lord Jesus Christ.

Makes one wonder dosen't it!
 
Please quote the verse and context.

Surely.........
Joshua 5:13-15
"And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the Lord am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant? And the captain of the Lord's host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so."

Jewish interpreters believe this man was Michael the arch angel. They use Daniel 12:1 as proof. I am no interpreter or scholar but to me it seems clear this is the pre-incarnant Christ who had drawn His sword for battle. Battle is always indicitive of judgment and is so here IMO.

Joshua knew that this man was not just of God but was that he was God because he would not have worshipped AND if an angel, no angel would have allowed himself to be worshipped.

The armies of Josuha were going to battle the next day against Jericho. It seems that Joshua needed encouragement and just at the right time Christ comes to strengthen him and show him who is with him!
 
I disagree rusty. Yes, they killed everyone in jericho, except for rahab, but this isnt inconsistent with Gods command, they did not go above and beyond Gods commands, God, ordered the Israelites, to kill EVERYONE in the promised land. That includes, the people in jericho. Yes, its not in that specific verse, but the fact is, God told them to kill everyone in deuteronomy, and all He did was take down the walls. So, the natural conclusion, is the Israelites follow Gods commands, and kill the people inside. You notice, that God never condemned them for that, he did curse them because someone took something they wernt supposed to (next chapter). In fact, the only negative consequences really, from the takeover of Israel, was the fact they disobeyed and DIDNT kill everyone. If they had, we wouldnt have so much unrest in Israel today.

When the Lord thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou;
2 And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:
 
Seems to me any killing done by the Israelites as a commandment of the Lord is to cleanse sin. It was not warmongering or pleasure-it was "following orders" like any soldier can understand. The Hollywood stereotype of blood hungry soldiers has been so overplayed that even the soldiers start to believe it-until they are actually faced with that choice. Deuteronomy 9:4-5

No, we Christians that believe in self defense don't seek pleasure in killing. I am an advocate of non-lethal methods, but you also better know your physical limitations. The older I get the more appealing concealed carry becomes-especially in these times.
 
But BUT....In no way can an American Christian justify themselves by comparing the ancient Hebrews to themselves....Sorry....Any other rationalization may work, but NOT that one, in my opinion.

I am not sure I understand the point? Did I miss something or fail to clarify my position?

I am not justifying murder as an option to self-defense if that is where I think this is going? And "American Christian"? I think I may be bit confused here-are we all not under the same blood of Christ?

Let me try to restate-sometimes I have a difficult time illustrating what is actually bouncing around my head. As far as comparing ourselves to ancient Hebrews I would say this: they were a bunch of dirty rotten sinners just like us but God chose THEM, not the other way around. Why did God do that-no idea, that's God call and I have no problem with that.

I stated earlier I am an advocate of non-lethal self defense; but what I am grappling with is the idea that we 'Christians' are just supposed to "turn the other cheek" and let evil railroad us into oblivion. Are we not to 'resist the devil' even from the 'wickedness in high places'? At least one of the disciples carried a sword walking with Christ...

Having the means of protection (example: sword or a gun) and not using it is a whole lot different than having no means of protection and allowing yourself to be a random victim.
 
First off rusty, that entire passage you quoted even talks about driving them out. And, It depends on what you interpret "driving out" I stil contend, that plan A was to eliminate everyone in the land, because God knew that they would come back and cause trouble for the Israelites later on. (and they did) And regardless of whether it was plan "A" or plan "B" (I still hold it was plan A but its a moot point) God did, order the Israelites to kill everyone in the promised land. Bad things only came to the Israelites, AFTER they disobeyed and DIDNT kill them. Secondly, I wasnt necessarily using it as an argument for self defense, just that your argument about the Israelites disobeying God by killing the residents of jericho, was wrong.

Third point. People like to discredit the OT all the time, and its annoying. God included the old testament, in our Bible for a reason, and that reason is not to be ignored. Its for us to learn from it. The apostle Paul even said, that even though were not bound by the law, it is in place so that we know what sin is (romans 7:7) So, the law, still holds merit-not something that we need to do to get to heaven-but so that we know what is sin, and what is not sin. The law says that if someone breaks into your home at night, that you have the right to kill them (exodus 22:2-3) In fact there were a lot of laws, that dealt with self defense. The OT also specified That if the watchman saw a intruder sneak into camp, and did nothing, that he was gulty. (Ezekiel 33:6) Even the psalms, says to rescue the week and needy, to deliver them out of the hand of the wicked (psalm 82:4) Now, there are more ways to rescue the weak and needy then lethal force-that much is true-however, sometimes, that is what is required-sometimes the only way to stop a bad guy with deadly force, is with deadly force. Sad fact of the world we live in.

Conclusion? God did indeed order the Israelites to drive out and kill everyone in cana. God also, gave us the law, and the history, so that we can learn from their mistakes, and what they did right or wrong. Am I proposing that revenge killings like suggested in the law are right? not at all, but it is clear throughout the Bible, that we are to stand for whats right, defend those who cannot defend ourselves, and protect our families. Self defense is not unbiblical by any stretch of the imagination.
 
So....are you saying that all Americans are Christians??

For Sure: the Lord shed His blood for the entire world, but can you say the entire world has appropriated the salvation that that includes?

I can't.

No not at all...I think there is a bit of confusion here on my end...
 
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