Silverwolf

Sephiroth is in the Kabbalah, and he's evil.

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seekinghokmah

Sephiroth is not a "he".

I will cease further discussion on this topic at this point as the misconceptions are significant and the subject matter far too vast to handle here.
I leave it to each individual to follow his/her best judgement.

Zec 8:23 Adonai-Tzva'ot says, 'When that time comes, ten men will take hold — speaking all the languages of the nations — will grab hold of the cloak of a Jew and say, "We want to go with you, because we have heard that God is with you." ' "

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mikeOfChrist

Actualy I don't want to fight with You, and allways have to be carefull that My "Sarcasims," when They do show up,
are intended towards "The Theory" I am debating, and not the individuals -----whom I would like to be able to be
friends with, unless I feel are doctrinal differences are so great, that we can not be so.

However, I still feel that Zechariah 8:23, has to do with the 144,000 "Jewish" End Time Witnessess of Revelation
7:1-8, after God "Grafts Back in," the Jewish "Branch," of God's remnant of faithful Jews,

After the Body of Christ, including the Millions of Messianic Jews Of Today, are removed at Christ's return ----no
matter how one interprests it, is all we seem to talk about these days,

And the fact is that, revelation, like a puzzle, gives a clear "Linear" progression, which at time also sidesteps into
different time frames,

and as such, we argue over this, and that, and if We see the original war that lucifer as the anointed cherub
created, via Ezekiel 28:11-19, which also has a gap within it's final fullfillment, we are all Oooooh, and Aaaaah,
at what we discover,

And I am not saying that You are doing so Yourself in this particular post, or instance,

But inspite of the fact that I have brought up the "distractions," which leave us often at odds, and at times "confused,"
does cause some people to be afraid to even deal with prophecy, but inspite of this fact, I still ask You, what does
Zechariah 8:23 have to do with the Kabbalah??????

My answer is nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It sidesteps the issue, by taking a "restored remnant," "grafted back in" definition
of "Messianic Jewish Witnessess," completely out of context!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And the end time Jews of revelation 7:1-8 and Zechariah 8:23, have to do with being "Messianic Witnessess Of Christ,"
and have nothing to do with the Kabbalah!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Glory of Saved Israel, and Gentiles, and Jerusalem in the Millennial Kingdom:

Isaiah 60:1,14,-15,16b-19 "Arise, shine; for your light has come, And the glory of the Lord has risen upon you.......
And the sons of those who afflicted you will come bowing to you, And all those who despised you will bow
themselves at the soles of your feet; And they will call you the city of the Lord, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.
'Whereas you have been forsaken and hated With no one passing through, I will make you an everlasting pride, A joy
from generation to generation. .....Then you will know that I, the Lord am your Savior, and Your Redeemer, the Mighty
One of Jacob. 'Instead of bronze I will bring gold, and instead of iron I will bring silver, and instead of wood, bronze,
and instead of stones, iron. And I will make peace your administrators, And righteousness your overseers. 'Violence
will not be heard again in your land, Nor devestation or destruction within your borders; But you will call your walls
salvation, and your gates praise. No longer will you have the sun for light by day, nor for the brightness will the moon
give you light; But you will have the Lord for an everlasting light, And your God for your glory."


and Isaiah 60:21 "Then all your people will be righteous; They will possess the land forever, The branch of My planting,
The Work of My hands, that I may be glorified."


May Christ Richly Bless Those Who Truly Love Him, Amen.

Mike.

Kevin

Kabbalah, whether it be occult or not, does not bring people to Jesus Christ.

Today, religion has become a fashion item, this is why we see various pop stars etc joining certain religions. They are seeking out the mystical side of religion because it has a certain appeal and image attached to it.

Many religions, today give people the false sence that they are following the God of the Jews, the one true God. All religions lead to death if they do not lead people to Jesus Christ.

Please show me where in the bible we are told to respect other religions. This a new age belief that all religions are to be regarded as equal.

I will never respect any religion that does not bring people to Christ but leads people to death. It is the same as saying we must respect a mass murderer.

I will love other people, but I do not have to respect their religion. Any religion that leads people to eternal death is straight out of satans work, am I supposed to respect satan as well?

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seekinghokmah

Kabballah is not a religion, but having respect for people and the choices they make is not the same as condoning or associating oneself with their beliefs. Even if you want to disagree with another persons belief...without showing a little respect, and having the integrity to accurately understand and portray their beliefs...how can you possibly lead anyone to Christ yourself? It was not my intention to suggest some kind of ecumenical universalism.

The ignorance of most Christians regarding Judaism and what it is and is not, is one of the primary reasons Jews do NOT take Jesus seriously. Many rabbis would not see much difference between a "born again Christian" and a Hare Krishna...not because they don't respect us, but because we demonstrate so little respect for and understanding of them.

As I've stated previously, Christianity is the religion ABOUT Jesus and Judaism is the religion OF Jesus. Jesus Himself was in all likelihood a Pharisee. Kabbalah is just a Hebrew word meaning received; it refers to the oral teachings as distinct from the written Torah.

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Glomung

Kabbalah as popularly practiced today is occult, and is heretical (if not completely anti_Christian). Originally it was a form of Jewish mysticism, commonly practiced during the Middle Ages.
Either way, it will distract a Christian from more useful pursuits.
Be wary of those to believe in "secret doctrines", Jesus and the Apostles have made everything quite plain.

seekinghokmah

As it is popularily practiced by modern new-age non Jews...yes.
Some elements of Jewish mysticism where very active in the middle ages yes...but kabbalah was not "invented" then, it (the oral Torah) has existed for thousands of years.

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