JohnathanAmber

Hello everyone,

This verse gets me a bit and I am asking for input.

Psalms 82:6
I589 have said,559 Ye are gods;430 and all3605 of you859are children1121 of the most High.5945

If you look up the Hebrew word for 430, you see that elohim is being used. Which is the plural for God.

H430
אלהים
'ĕlôhîym
el-o-heem'
Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative: - angels, X exceeding, God (gods) (-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.

Now I know that in Genesis 1:26 we are shwon to be made in His image. And are also given some of His attributes. We also know that we have His love in us for those those love Him and follow His ways. So, are we gods based on the likeness that we have of our Father? Are we gods with a God?

I appreciate your input.

God bless,
Johnathan

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Boanerges

Without the definite article Ho' this word means judge or angel and is refering to position of power and authority.

mikeOfChrist

And as the term means "angel," or ambassador, of God. So when We are called "gods," it means as ambassadors of the only True God; ambassadors of His free Gift of salvation, ambassadors of obedience, and even at times ambassadors of our own wekness, in which we are ambassadors of having to be "Carried" by God, as in the famous poem "Footsteps."!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We are indeed to be gods: or ambassadors to the one True God, to those of the world and world system -who think they are gods!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and though they do not all admitt it, they all think they are gods, just as budism teaches falsely that there is no god, but that we can achieve being god, as a buddah, or whatever.


So we are, as the symbolic title of gods means, only but ambassadors, to Christ Jesus, our Lord and Savior, and God the Father!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We are ambassadors of the Trinity, but it seems to Me that the Holy Spirit has taken on a role of executing the Will of God the Father and of Christ, and does not seem to draw attention to Himself, at this point in time -the current world history from Christ's 1st comming, and until His return.

Of course I may be wrong in many details of what I understand, and know, but not of the important details, that We are saved by Grace and not of works, that no man may boast, and that the symbolic title of gods that we are, is as messengers and ambassadors of God, and His Holy word!!!!!!!!!!!!!

However in the technical sense of the usage, where I add one more definition, as Ambassadors of God, I am in effect saying our Lexicons, and Bible dictionaries are wrong to not see that as possibly being a possible definition, to be added to there list. Our study aids, of yesteryears definitions, are not written in stone; and therefore who is Strong, or anyone else for that matter, to stand on the work of earlier German Scholarship, and so on and so forth to say that their collective works were written in stone, or a basis for assuming they have never made a single error, ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That having been said, I do not wish for, nor will I argue the point anymore, as I will not argue with those who feel I am wrong. I simply want to know why all of our study material is written in stone???? If Israel, except for Messianic Jews, have surrendered Scriptural and prophetic authority to the Body Of Christ, during our time as God's prophetic representatives thru Christian History -and meaning no slight upon the Jews, as I am part Jewish Myself, but has the Masoretes, and all Jewish scholorship also been technicaly correct, allways as well as all Historical Christian Scholorship, that We can say because Strong, or Whomever may have said so, that only what they say is written in stone????????????????/



May Christ Richly Bless Them Who Truly Love Him, Amen

Boanerges

From the Interantional Standard Bible Encylopedia:

Gods
(אלהים, 'ĕlōhīm; θεοί, theoí):
I. In the Old Testament
1. Superhuman Beings (God and Angels)
2. Judges, Rulers
3. Gods of the Nations
4. Superiority of Yahweh to Other Gods
5. Regulations Regarding the Gods of the Nations
6. Israel's Tendency to Idolatry
II. In the Apocrypha
III. In the New Testament
The Hebrew plural 'ĕlōhīm is generally known as the plural of "majesty" and is the ordinary name for God. The meaning of the plural seems to be "plenitude of powers." It denotes the fullness of those attributes of power which belonged to the Divine Being. Thus it is usually translated in the singular, "God," when referring to the God of Israel. When reference is made to the gods of the other nations the word is translated in the plural, "gods." The heathen nations usually had a plurality of gods. Among the Semites it was customary for one nation or tribe to have its own particular god. Often there were many tribes, or families, or communities, in one nation, each having a particular god. Thus, even among Semites a nation may have many gods and be polytheistic. Among the other nations, Iranian, Hamitic, etc., there were always a number of deities, sometimes a multitude. There are many references to these in the Old Testament. In a few cases where the plural is used, the singular would be better, e.g. Gen_3:5 the King James Version; Exo_32:4, Exo_32:8, Exo_32:23; Rth_1:15 the King James Version; Jdg_17:5; Jdg_18:24; 1Sa_17:43. This, however, might be disputed.
1. Superhuman Beings (God and Angels)
The following are the more important usages of the word in the Old Testament: The translation of Psa_8:5 is disputed. The Septuagint and the King James Version translate it "angels," the Revised Version (British and American) and the American Standard Revised Version, "God," with "angels" in the margin. The Epistle to the He has the word "angels." This seems to be more in keeping with the Old Testament ideas of the relation between God, men and angels. Gen_1:26 has the plural "us," but it is not certain to whom it refers, most probably to the angels or mighty ones which surrounded the throne of God as servants or counselors; compare Job_38:7, and see SONS OF GOD. In Psa_97:7 the expression "worship him, all ye gods," may possibly refer to the gods of the nations, but more probably to the angels or mighty ones.
2. Judges, Rulers
Judges, rulers, are regarded "either as Divine representatives at sacred places, or as reflecting Divine majesty and power" (see BDB, under the word). Exo_21:6 might better be translated as in the margin, "the judges." These were men appointed to represent God and adjudicate on important matters of law. Septuagint has "Criterion of God." In Exo_22:8 the word is used in the same sense, and Exo_22:9 would also be better translated "the judges"; Exo_22:28 likewise. See also 1Sa_2:25; Psa_82:1, Psa_82:6, where the reference is to those who act as judges.

Banarenth

You know...there is something that has been somewhat going through my head the past week or so I haven't really "worked out" yet. Bare with me, since I haven't reconciled any of this, so it may be either right, wrong, or totally out of whack....

We always hear that God created the universe out of "nothing". But is that really true? I'm not saying He used something that was already here, but did He use a part of Himself, say, His breath.

The Bible says that God breathed life into man, and perhaps that is our connection to Him. Why we seek Him and why He loves us. Because we are created, not only by Him, but from Him.

Think of it more this way. God is often likened to a sculptor, molding us from clay. But the universe wasn't here before God, so He had no clay to mold it.

I look at God as more of a musician. A musician can create something incredible from nothing at all. A singer needs only their voice, a musician needs an instrument. But that instrument becomes a part of us, more than that really. And while the sound may come from an instrument, the music, comes from much deeper within, the instrument is just a tool to share that sound with others. It is a part of us, and there is truly something incredibly miraculous about music.

So perhaps I'm only the dot on a note someone near the end of a large symphony. Even that dot is important, and can mean the difference between a wonderful touching tone, and a dramatic pause, or even a complete break in the rhythm. That little dot is important to God, because without that little insignificant dot, the composition isn't the same, it isn't what He had in mind. It is a lost expression.

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adonaicole

Great analogy. My son just turned nine and for the last 6 months he has been teaching himself to play guitar. He's kind of hit and miss since he's just learning but sometimes he makes just incredible music and I'm in awe that he's able to do it...making something out of nothing. He plays by heart.

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Boanerges

He spoke and it was- that is way cool but what else would you expect from God!

smellycat

no in the second version the lord breathed life into man.jesus tells us God made men and women.

smellycat

in the first version God was with He.also israel Gods lost sheep the Lord is 1 Lord.also musicians come from cain,s descendants.

Boanerges

God spoke ( the creative power of His Word) and there was dry land or earth. He then took the dirt He created and formed it into man, then He breated life into that which He had already created Mike. Adam was literally the man of the red earth.