Faith or ignorance?

goldenroad · 10-15-2007, 05:19 AM

Being raised by strong Christian parents led me to follow the same road as them, most of the time unquestioningly or, when i did question, through tinted lenses. So i come to a point, is it faith or ignorance? where is the line in between the two? Regardless of what i've done God hasn't given me a personal reason to continue unquestioningly. And what about the bible? It wasn't even arranged until Constantine's reign a couple of hundred years after Jesus's existence, why is this God's word? Oh yeah, because 'all scripture is God-breathed and useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness.' Well, what does that show, is that it?

Faith is well-educated, though not visually based. Ignorance is uneducated and often-times, irrational. So...where's the line between the two? And how do you know which one you are (this question aimed particularly at those who were raised Christians, those who converted at a later age have, in my opinion, a much stronger base)?

But what if it is ignorance? what if i completely leave the faith and go to atheism? Is that a logical alternative? If the whole basis for questioning is to find a REAL purpose (one that you can no by faith...NOT IGNORANCE) then any other atheistical purpose would be self-created and merely a made-up diversion from the need for a real purpose...so...that leaves me ina puddle.

Mopom · 10-15-2007, 05:57 AM

We're all somewhat ignorant. God didn't require for us to know every little thing in order to get into Heaven, or even achieve salvation. :P

In all truth... the only thing any of us really NEED desperately to know is that Jesus died on the cross for us and that he was risen again three days later. And that he is our lord and savior.

And no... faith is not always well-educated. Faith isn't even knowledge necessarily... it's actions, based on what we believe.

And what does it matter when where or how the bible got recorded. all that matters was that it did, and has made a never ending impact in the world because of it.

God uses anything in order to do his works, and anyone...

And really... even though it was exactly established as being "The Bible" the letters and books of the apostles were still read by the people, and were still interpreted as the word of God.

Really, I wouldn't even try to combine 'logic' with Christianity. Trying to figure out every little thing will only make you more confused. I mean, you can... be my guest... but it doesn't have to be a paranoid obsession.

I don't even think Christianity is about that...

Hmm... I suppose.... yeah, I would suggest you read the book of Eclesteastes. In as many translations as you can find (which is easy... just to to biblegateway.com) n_n

BUT keep in mind that in that book he's not condemning any of us... or even unhappy... He's just sort of... stating it like it is. But not in a negative sense.

He puts into detail really the way a Christian life should be led.

violet · 10-15-2007, 09:15 AM

It doesn't matter how you come to know God, whether it be because you were born into Christianity or found it in your deepest despair.
What TRULY MATTERS is how you continue your walk with God!

My opinion? Those who are able to believe through faith and not proof are the smartest people of all!

Sylvanus · 10-15-2007, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by goldenroad

why is this God's word? Oh yeah, because 'all scripture is God-breathed and useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness.' Well, what does that show, is that it?

Nop
It is God's word because it allows you to enter into God's dimension.

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Originally Posted by goldenroad

Faith is well-educated, though not visually based. Ignorance is uneducated and often-times, irrational. So...where's the line between the two? And how do you know which one you are?

Faith education is different than rational education. the latter is based on the mind, while the first is based on the Spirit. If you have been educated to have a discerning faith recognised by your spirit, and leading to the Spirit, in practicle terms, rather than having been educated by the rational leading to the rational, in no godly action as a result, you will already know the fine line.

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Originally Posted by goldenroad

But what if it is ignorance? what if i completely leave the faith and go to atheism? Is that a logical alternative?

Yes, it is

But then how could you, if you have already tested that the Lord is good.

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Originally Posted by goldenroad

If the whole basis for questioning is to find a REAL purpose......

Who said?
The basis of Christianity is not about purpose, but about living a relationship.

Beloved · 10-15-2007, 05:22 PM

I suspect that you have not be batized in the Holy Spirit...

He is suppose to be the GREAT HELPER in your life!

One of His many job ( love ) descpitionsHe draws you to Christ, and removes the darken veils over those eyes, so you can see, spiritually.

I doesn't appear that you have been washed by Holy Water, through the reading of the Father, Christ, and the Holy Spirit God Breathed Word.

Hear > True and False Convertions.....And the Fathers Love Letter.......

http://www.fathersloveletter.com/flltextenglish.html

http://www.wayofthemaster.com/learntoshare.shtml

Beloved

You are still GREATLY LOVED by the Father, and us...

Boanerges · 10-15-2007, 05:32 PM

True ignorance is a lack of faith- it is not my great faith in God but the Great God in which I have faith!

DaveS · 10-15-2007, 05:44 PM

I find athiests to be more ignorant. They can't accept the idea of a God because they've seen no "proof" we're open minded enough to see that there really is much much more to this universe then what we see. If the world were exactly as we see it, all animals living on a random planet who when they die just die...... that would be very depressing, and I'd prefer to never be born.

Banarenth · 10-15-2007, 07:02 PM

Faith is believing in God, ignorance is placing that belief in a human. Humans fail us, Christianity isn't about a denomination or sect, or a building, or our friends, or a trusted pastor. It's about Christ.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Altar Boys

Everybody's going around saying this, saying that
You don't know what to believe man,
You just don't know.
There's some truth here and a little over there
Do this, do that, it's just a big zero!!
It gets so confusing yea
But let me tell you plain and simple!

(Chorus)
I'm not talking about religion
I'm not talking about just a belief
I'm not talking about going to church
That's not Christianity
I'm not talking about science
I'm not talking about politics
I'm not talking about shaving your head
I'm talking about God and
That's relationship ah yea!

Some say if you want to find truth it's in your mind
Some place, somewhere, it's deep inside
Just sit there on the floor
Cross your legs and shut the door
Say this word over and over
and the truth will come, man it never does
You wanna find truth, You wanna find love well

(Chorus)

(Bridge)
I'm not trying to hand you some old line
I'm telling you God lives in my heart,
that's right!
Do you understand what I'm saying?
Do you understand what I'm talking about?
Do you? Do you? Do you?!!!!!!!!

A lie is a lie and no matter how it's said
I'm tired of all the destruction,
I'm sick of it!
I'm gonna say it like it is Jesus is God
He died for you and rose from the dead
That's the way it is!!!
Just turn and you will see
A life set free, listen to me!!!

(Chorus)