Boanerges

Mat 27:33 And when they were come unto a place called Golgotha, that is to say, a place of a skull,

If indeed we are given a new spirit when we are born again, a new body when we are ressurected and God is saving our soul then it was no accident that Jesus was crucified at the place of the skull. Like our Lord we must also die in the place of our skull- death to our old way of thinking and life as we are renewed in our minds by His Spirit according to His Word- Selah

Banarenth

So..if someone who shall remain nameless, just happens to have, let's say...a tattoo with a skull in a heart. Perhaps this highly hypothetical person, could perhaps maybe make a connection...hypothetically of course...

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Boanerges

I don't see why not- hypotheticially of course!

Jasher

Just as a side note.

Unfortunately, the translators used the word "skull" instead of the word "head." I guess the word skull sounds more like a place but place of the head referred to a political function. This area of Golgotha was known in Jesus' day for taking the census or "head" count. The census was taken outside of the camp, which was 2,000 cubits or 3,000 feet from the Holy Place in the Temple. (Eastward of the Temple) Everything in this circle was considered to be within the camp.

This 3,000 foot radius went almost all the way up the western side of the Mount of Olives. The census was taken there because some people were ceremonially unclean and had to remain out of this 3,000 foot radius of the Temple. This way when the census was taken they could count everyone. The unclean Israelites were not allowed into the camp until they were cleansed - one method of cleansing was to sprinkle them with spring water mixed with ashes of the red heifer. The original "Holy Water."

Jesus of course was crucified on the Southern summit of the Mount of Olives - outside of the camp. I think that Jesus was crucified on a literal living tree just like the scriptures said he was. If you trace back the symbolism of the Tree of life - this would mean that he was crucified on an almond tree. He and the two thieves.

Boanerges

Thanks for the info Jasher- I have seen pictures of this place and it really does look like a skull.Check this page:
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The sources available on the net are saying it is Aramaic for skull but skull or head same application to the original point.
MANY BLESSINGS LARRY

Jasher

I don't disagree with the original point. I was just adding some history to the thread trying to contribute something that may be of interest..

It is my understanding that this rock formation is of late origin and did not exist in the time of Jesus. It has been observed that it has deteriorated significantly in the last couple hundred years. Many of the popular sites in Israel are not accurate I'm afraid.

The hill on which the temple stood was called Mt. Moriah. I don't know how it got that name. God told Abraham to go to the "land of Moriah" and he would show him a mountain there on which he was to sacrifice Issac. It was the Mount of Olives -the same place were Jesus was crucified. Doesn't the symbolism make sense?

Boanerges

Thanks Jasher those are certainly interesting thoughts. I looked it up in Strongs and it was translated skull so I did a cross reference on 30 translations and while most called it the place of a skull or the place of the skull a few called it dead mans head. Historically the meaning seems to have multiple posibilties- I have found an excelent page of facts on Golgotha:
http://www.bible-history.com/isbe/G/GOLGOTHA/

Thanks again Jasher as you haven given me some interesting reading.

Jasher

Hi Larry,
If you simply read the Bible account you will get 90 percent of the message. I don't want to imply that what I say is an important part of the message - it is mostly trivia. Is it important to know that Jesus was crucified on a real tree? No - the fact that he was crucified is the big message.

Every picture of the Temple shows it sitting in the middle of the "Temple Mount." This is not true either - what they are calling the Temple Mount is in reality the Fortress Antonia; and there is a lot of information to support this. I think the missing 10 percent is what is needed to put the all the symbology, shadows, and the types all together in a coherent manner.

I guess I am probably boring everyone with my historical trivia as there isn't much response to it. I do find a lot of misinformation in the Church today based on mostly the historical record.

Boanerges

Actually Jasher I find history fascinating-thanks!