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Old 09-20-2007, 09:17 PM   #11
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so where is your argument?
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Old 09-20-2007, 09:22 PM   #12
 
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I don't believe in editing the bible- the old is to be understood in the light of the new- when one comprehends the new testatment then he can see Jesus woven all thru the old. The statement that you appeared to take issue was that if Joe Blow walks in off the street and says thus sayeth the Lord that does not make it so. perhaps we were not understanding each other.
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Old 09-20-2007, 09:30 PM   #13
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then read what jesus says ,then you edit most of the ot.thats why jesus says 2 wines in diffrent vessels.
I don't follow... Please explain.
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Old 09-20-2007, 09:32 PM   #14
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if 7 books of the bible are removed .......then joe bloggs has taken away Gods words.
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Old 09-20-2007, 09:32 PM   #15
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I agree that not every word that is said to come from God really does.

I do not believe that God changes his mind, but I think that sometimes God's plans appear to change because we change them. We make choices which alter his ultimate plan in our life, because we have been given a free will. If we stop listening to his voice, then we can bring about our own destruction which is then not in God's plan for us. It doesn't mean that God changed his plan. Let me give a real life example:

I once had a youth pastor who told us about a vision that a woman at his previous church had where he was standing in an auditorium and preaching before thousands of youth. This woman had this vision before he ever went to the church that I knew him at. Years later, he had received a job offer to be youth pastor at the church where he was telling us about the woman and her vision. Then his story continued. Shortly after he came to this church, the woman visited him there and told him that was the place in her vision. Now, this was a large church already. but certainly not having thousands of youth to fit in the main auditorium yet. This woman's vision from God, gave the youth pastor a swelled head. He began to change how he did things in the youth group. He became more concerned about bringing in the numbers than in saving souls and feeding the sheep. He was so caught up in bringing about this woman's vision, that he lost sight of the real goal. Within a few short years, his youth group had grown, but it was nothing more than a Christian rock concert on Sunday Evenings, where various drug addicts hung out and whoring abounded. Withing a few short years after that he was no longer working at the church. So....did God change his mind about the original vision? No. I believe that God may have had every intention of this being his plans for this man. God has a plan for us and it is good. But this man lost sight of God, and lost sight of his true purpose on earth. He became fixated on numbers, which would bring glory only to himself. It was he who left God's plan.

I had left that youth group at the infancy of his numbers-game. The minute it changed, I became enlightened to what was going on and I left. I spoke to him on several occasions about the changes prior to my decision to leave and I was dismissed away. I knew what continued on after I left, because I had friends there and relatives at the church. Years later I came in contact with this man again......when he was hired on as the assistant pastor at the church I was attending. I can tell you that I had lost all respect for him, and when I saw him at that church, I left there as well, because I could not stay at a church where I had no respect for the leadership. He had been hired on in that position right after being asked to leave the previous one (relatives in high places). Anyhow, I am not giving names of people or places, because I was only using that story as an example of how God's plan doesn't change-- it is we who leave the plan because of our own free will and losing sight of the goal.
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Old 09-20-2007, 09:32 PM   #16
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how much of the bible needs to be removed for it to make sense to you?
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Old 09-20-2007, 09:35 PM   #17
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God does change his mind,if there is 50 good people ,or 40,or 30,or 10.merciful God ,
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Credible scholars have given us 66 books- I have over 50 translations and these all agree- the apocryphal writings are not scripture.
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Old 09-20-2007, 09:40 PM   #19
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10 fingers in fire etc etc etc.
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Old 09-20-2007, 09:42 PM   #20
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also if they are there,and seem weird they help us read the bible better,with understanding.God does things for a reason,your denial of this is shocking.
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