Boanerges

One thing I do know little brother- God has plans for our lives (yours and mine) and cutting them short isn't a part of those plans- if our life was turned upside down and all of the things we clung to were taken away we would still have our Jesus to walk with. We would still have souls to reach and miles to walk to bring glory to His Name- so the word suicide isn't in our vocabulary except to tell lost and wounded souls that we know another way- We all love our Paddelford here and it is good to see you here little brother- many, many blessings on a rich and full life that will be yours in Christ- brother Larry

azheis

I would agree those who commit suicide absolutely go to hell …………..
But hell as defined by http://www.christianforumsite.com/showpost.php?p=19744&postcount=1

You bring up a good point with these scripture ….. becasue suicide is the result of being possessed …….not necessarily the thought, or the desire …… but the actual act of doing ……
That is true 99% of the time the other 1% would be in the case of knowing your going to die an awful death and going out your way as was most likely the case of those who jumped from the twin towers on 9/11 rather than getting burned to death.
Allowing yourself to get to the point that you open yourself may be broken fellowship, but you cannot be accountable for the act when you are possessed………….
And as Jim stated ….none of this has to do with the unforgivable sin

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Oresteia

Hello,

I'm a newbie & self confessed fairly ignorant on this matter BUT last yr a person in our church commited suicide after a shocking & totally unexpected period of mental illness, following the birth of her 1st child.

Her character was so altered & I cannot but feel that she would not have left her baby & husband if she were in any kind of control. Our teachers view was that nothing could separate from the love of God & the forgiveness through Jesus that she had held. In our current state we may know that suicide is terribly wrong but I feel we have no way of being in others 'shoes' at that awful moment.

Boanerges

Hi Oresteia-
There are indeed medical conditions caused by hormonal imbalance that if left untreated could lead to suicide. In such cases we simply have to trust that He who knows all hearts sees, understands and has mercy on such souls-

Heb 4:13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
Heb 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

He knows what we go thru and He meets us were we are- it is His nature to help the truly helpless, to heal and to restore so let us trust such wounded hearts into His hand

Mat 12:20 A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.
Many blessings brother Larry

Jasher

There were cases where Godly women in Roman times committed suicide rather than do what was wrong.

In Alexandria in 249 Apollonia, a Christian woman, who had been beaten and all her teeth knocked out - jumped into the flames rather than recite heathen incantations.

Eusebius, in his account of martyrs at Antioch (Ecclesiastical History, Book 8, chapter 12), tells of a mother who taught her two beautiful unmarried daughters to regard rape as the most dreadful thing that could happen to them. Eventually the mother and daughters were captured by a band of lustful soldiers. On realizing their plight, they modestly requested to be excused for a minute. They then threw themselves into a nearby river and drowned.

Some women took poison to avoid the horror that awaited them.

I think God deals with people according to their motives - not necessarily some fixed law. In any case this was a real problem for the Church fathers. There are probably more recent cases of this in the Sudan.

Dusty

Yasher.... I think you are right. And God is of course the final judge. And for the woman that took her life after her child was born.... That is really unfortunate but sometimes because of a chemical inbalance after child birth.... called post partum depression this does happen if not treated. It is unfortunate that the family did not catch and symptoms before it was too late.

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Love confirms a Christian

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Whirlwind

"If you kill yourself I garantee you wont be in heaven! It worries me that christians are justifying or even trying to make excuses for it"

I hear and understand what you're saying, you have a good message to share here. But one thing that troubled me...only one Man guarantees passage into heaven, and I just spoke with him a few minutes ago.

Nobody here can say whether or not another man will go to hell for his sins; that's up to Jesus and God to decide. We can't begin to fathom their reasoning, their love, their plan for us. It's beyond our reach, as men with limited abilities.

I would say this: Yeah, it's a hard topic. Find your own answers to this one in the bible. If it's an issue that really troubles you, pick up the bible and start reading. Pray that the answer comes to you, the way no man could ever give you an answer. The answers are all inside, and it'll come to you.

God bless.

KitsapGirl

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CatholicWifeandMom

May God be with you!

My answer perhaps won't satisfy you because it is not scriptural. I do believe in a merciful God. I do believe that some people can so despair that they mistakingly think that taking their own life is the only way out of the pain. I do believe that at the point of death, repentance is still possible and God, being a merciful and loving God will forgive them.

So there is always hope and even those who have killed themselves may still benefit from our prayers.

One other note: Sinning takes several factors, Full consent of your will, and full knowledge. We can never judge that someone who took their own life fully understood the ramifications. We don't know that they weren't under psychological or drug induced stress.

Again, they need our prayers.

God bless you.

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JesusReignsForever

I disagree it is up to us to make the decision wether or not we want to go to heaven or hell. If someone is living a life full of sin and never repents or claims to have the holy ghost the bible clearly tells us the wages of sin is death. In the OT in the Ten commandment it says Thou shalt not kill if am correct suicide is an act of killing yourself. Once you die there is no chance of repentence just look at the rich man that went to hell. He asked Abraham (i think) to send a message to his family to tell them not to come to where he was in a place or torment (hell) if there was a way to repent after we die and get a taste of hell. What would be the point in living this life? We could live however we want go to hell repent and book instant ascess to heaven?? Ummm that would be intresting to say the least. I don't think its a hard topic its clear cut to me.

1 John 5:17
All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

Galatians 5:21
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.