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Rainbow Brite

I think it's a beautiful gift, being able to communicate with God in His language. There's much Biblical support for it.

That being said, in Acts, speaking in tongues manifested as people praying in languages that others understood, and I think that's where we're going so wrong nowadays. People feel almost pressured to speak in tongues, because so much focus is put on it, and they somehow are led to believe that if they aren't speaking in tongues, they aren't a "Real Christian".

Equally, I've known many people who seem to have faked it in order to seem incredibly spiritual.

If there's no translation, am skeptical, to be honest.

I suppose it's one of the two Gifts which is easiest to fake, and unfortunately, some people do. That doesn't negate its veracity, though.

JesusReignsForever

I think it is a wonderful gift and I think it is apart of salvation but as with many people on here they will argue you down about it lol

I personally think at some point and time we all will speak in tongues...that is my thought dont bite my head off for it! Thanks

Jesse

Hi ..

In worship is the only time I dare to speak in tongues, I have spoken particular composed words unfamiliar onto me I believe are in composition to different languages, actually in this my revere it is me talking and dedicating my soul to God, at some time I recognize what word I am saying in not the intention of saying it foreignly but it is more of words from the soul, rather as I would have to say mention in the practice as I recognize sometimes what I am saying it is not of intent nor of knowledge to say but of natural unknown speaking and God has scared me before in my worship, when I said that my father responds in Spanish there happened at the same moment to be a frightening thundering all of a sudden, much more than a regular thunder and by that time it was raining and I was very very scared of God as I worshiped Him, for the thundering sound that happened is very impressive ..

sometime I have recognized my wording in this form of dialect in Italian, Hebrew, and Spanish, but only on a limited ability in practiced, this is of my faith ..

Yes some things are not forgotten ..

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smellycat

there is a verse in the bible i think it,s from paul saying ,id rather in church speak words all people who can understand and help a person than tongues.can you tell me if this is true.

sky

Yes, it's true, i will look it up quickly.

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Rom 1:20 For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see His invisible qualities - His eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.

Jesus said: "I have told you all this so that you may have peace in me. Here on earth you will have many trials and sorrows. But take heart, because I have overcome the world." John 16:33

sky

Are you referring to this scripture in 1 Corinthians where he talks about the gifts of tongue and prophecy, Smellycat? Chapter 13 he talks about love is the greatest of all. And then in chapter 14 he says that prophecy is greater than tongues, unless someone interprets it.

Basically what he says in this chapter is that you must have a interpretation of the tongue if you speak in tongues in church.

Verse 19 says: But in a church meeting I would rather speak five understandable words to help others than ten thousand words in an unknown language. NLT

Is that the scripture that you think of?

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Rom 1:20 For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see His invisible qualities - His eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.

Jesus said: "I have told you all this so that you may have peace in me. Here on earth you will have many trials and sorrows. But take heart, because I have overcome the world." John 16:33

Theophilus

Jesus said:
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
(Mk.16:17,18)



Making mountians out of mole hills is an old fashion ,down home term for a common practice amung Christians these days. A kin to the antics often used by the famed used car salemen. It is like the gospel eqivilant of the big fish stories we all have heard.
It is simply making ,by words and deception something to be much better, bigger,more dynamic, important, more impressive than it realy is.
Not in all of christianity is there a better or more widely misunderstood and abused example of this than the subject of "speaking in tongues"

And there is no better example than the misinterpritation of the above verse. This along with the blind or perhaps intentional connecting of the "tongues" in Acts with the directions given by Paul for handling differant languages in context of church gatherings has been blown so far out of perportion that it has in some cases relpaced Jesus in importance in the minds of those who follow its man made doctrines.
Most distressing is the fact that by this collection of missinterpreted scripture and misunderstood scriptural truth has in some christian movements become the focus and standard by which all church action center around. Making this even worse is the fact that it's hype is drawing attention and swaying ,now, even the more prominant and stable of church doctrines simply because of it's popularity.
It is an attention getter, a croud pleaser, a way (though false ) for the unbelieving to have something to cling to and the hierarchy of the the religous sect that promotes it to have a controling angle by which they can extort and progress their own agendas.

Incohearant babbling and translike murmerings that only certian people can supposedly interpret and confirm is not "tongues". Not in God's word anyway. And the use of this contrived misconception to deceive people into believing that God wills or allows or has given a way to assure and or confirm anyones salvation by mans actions it is pure undeniable herecy.


"They shall speak with new tongues"

(They shall speak of new matters. reveiling a changed heart with words of faith, love, of truth and of our savour Christ Jesus.)
That is what this verse is talking about. An indication of repentance, a change of direction, a changed life, a renewed mind. Expressed in understandable language, not some ocassional incohearnat babbling. A consistant change that once manifest continues to be expressed in a changed life and a true Christian walk.

Sincerely His
and yours
Cliff

PaducahLuke

Hey there, Cliff - how y'all doin' today...

Your reply ain't gonna sit right with folks who have been fed a bunch of false teachings over the years.

I been usin' one of them Strong's Concordances for lots of years and the word 'tongues' is in the Greek dictionary as word usage # 1100.

In the sub 1 explaination, it means that "tongues" is nothin' more than a language that y'all weren't born with and had to learn. It ain't a language full of gibberish that no one can understand.

In the Sub 3 explaination, it mentions the 'Pentacostal Tongue' (the words that the Holy Spirit spoke at the meeting place where folks from all over the place were gathered.) They ALL heard what was spoken in their own dialect and all at the same time, but that ain't what folks here in this thread are chattin' about.

I guess it comes down to WHY denominations are clingin' to a false translation of the word 'tongues'. If they admit that they was wrong about that, they'd loose a heap of congregation members and the money that supports the denomination, so they just keep on teachin' falsely. That there is a real shame.

So the next time yer in church and a bunch of folks start talking' gibberish, walk away 'cause it ain't biblical.

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