daniel 17

has anyone read this book? i bought it a few week ago and i just finished it. what do you think about it? i think this guy may be just trying to make money, becous his accounts on what happend in hell are just too vivid, he say's he actuly went there, he said it was not a dream, it was reality, he was IN hell andit was an actual place on earth. i just couldent imagine someone going to hell, going thru what he said he did and be in well enough mental condition to write a book about it. here is a seminar he did
on the incident.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2GJa0E-nOw

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"im running and doging caps till the day i see jehova"

"only time will tell who dies, these are the day's of our lives"

"come into my world and you can see that we are more than thugs"

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I don't know what to say...

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the_apostle_john

Part of this sounds like books by Mary K Baxter which were written in the 70's and later popularized in the late 90's. In her books, Mary claimed that Jesus took her to Hell and showed her how bad it was and then later showed her Heaven because she was so traumatized. Her books became very popular in many Christian Circles.

However, here's a few things to consider:

1) Experiences like these are generally unreliable at best. It's hard to test them to see if they're truly genuine and even then, it's often not the best idea to believe everything you see or hear. Your mind, for example, can play tricks on you very easily.

2) The Bible paints a grim enough picture of hell for us. Salvation out of fear often has poor rooting.

3) This is at best fiction. As I pointed out in #1, there's no way to test it. Just because someone throws in Bible verses here and there doesn't mean that it's true. It may be true, but experiences like these often yield questionable facts which generally slip themselves into the story rather gently.

4) As I pointed out in #2, we don't need it. It makes for good reading (and in this case watching) and it definitely gives you things to think about, but the probability of such a thing being true is very low.

When the Lord returned him, did he test what he believed to be the Lord? The Bible tells us to test the spirits (1 John 4) and it'd be interesting if someone who's watched the entire thing could tell us if he did or not.

If he didn't test the spirit he thought was God and he doesn't really have proof, I don't see any reason why we should assume that it was anything more than a dream. If it was between 12:00pm and 3:00pm that would likely fall within 1 or 2 of his sleep cyles where REM sleep takes place (which is when you dream). Also some dreams can be extremely real. As "The Matrix" puts it, "Have you ever had a dream that you thought was so real? What if you couldn't wake up from that dream? How would you tell the difference between the real world and the dream world?" Dreams can seem like real genuine experiences until you test them.

If someone's read through all of the segments it'd be nice to get some more info. While I doubt I ever will say "it's true", it'd be interesting to see what he did (like testing the dream and such).

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Nesian

Bill Wiese backs his experience up with bible verses & the funny thing is someone else who also went down to hell saw the exact same demon as him. i don't think it was a dream. it doesn't sound like a conspiracy either.

Jonah, from the bible, also experienced hell.

Jonah 2:2 >>> And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

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the_apostle_john

Keep things in context Nesian. Jonah 2:1 says that Jonah was in the belly of a big fish. I hope you're not saying that Jonah died, went to hell, then was supernaturally revived when he was spat up from the ocean. (Even though Jonah 1:17 disputes this)

The hebrew word here for hell is "Sheol" which people know to be translated as the grave. Jonah is saying "...From the depths of the grave I called for help, and you listened to my cry." Jonah is clearly using figurative, poetic language. The exact same kind of language is used in other types of Hebrew poetry located in Psalms.

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New Life

Why is this account unbelievable because it's too vivid, when people have "died" and gone to Heaven, come back and recounted it, and their stories are fully believable?

Ian McCormack died, but repented just before he passed on. He went to hell briefly and was able to recount what it was like vividly, because he ascended into Heaven, and then came back to life.

Is his story credible?

daniel 17

the reason i say its too vivid is becous he recalls every single seccond, every thought, and every word that was heard. oh yea, he also said in the book that he met god and was lifted into the air and into space and
him and god viwed the earth from the moon, it just dosent seem logical, even logical in religion, it just dosent seem right.

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"i asked the good lord why and sighed, he told me we live to die"

"im running and doging caps till the day i see jehova"

"only time will tell who dies, these are the day's of our lives"

"come into my world and you can see that we are more than thugs"

Distant Warrior

I was personally taken on a glorious visit to heaven. I can't tell you if that heaven coexists among us on earth or exists elsewhere. I CAN tell you that it exists. I was taken there while sleeping (some may say it was a dream). During my visit I had a lengthy conversation with my long deceased father in law. He gave me a message to take to the family and within that message was information I couldn't possibly have known that confirmed the legitimacy of his message.

I don't know how long I was there, but I remember every detail as vivid as I know my own home. I needed this message desperately as I had denied God for too long. There was plenty of proof along the way that he still walked with me, but I needed something this drastic to convince me he was there.

If I can be taken to heaven and returned, I suppose others could be taken to hell if the devine powers felt that that's what they needed to put them back on the path God intended.

I think to make money off of something like this would be entirely wrong. I may write a book on my experience some day, but right now I'm still cautious who I even mention it to as many people (including Christians) would never believe this. If I do write a book I think it would be appropriate to donate the profits to a charitable organisation(s) doing Gods will. I certainly wouldn't feel right keeping it for myself.

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Boanerges

We all have different expieriences and I have no problem with that- John and Paul saw heaven so why not hell? I have a cousin who pastored 3 churches at one time and he claims Jesus took him to hell showed him the entrance and promised cuz that he would never have to see that place again. This is his expierience not mine- but I know him to be solid, level headed and he would march off a cliff for the kingdom of God if needed so I find no reson to doubt his expierience- many blessings Larry