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Old 06-05-2007, 05:25 PM   #11
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I'm kind of waffling on this. Is there a point in scripture where it says there was a gap. Or is it a matter of interpretation. I am not a bible scholar, but I haven't seen anywhere in the Bible where it talks about a pre-Adamic age. Of course I study from the NIV and not the "original manuscripts"
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Old 06-05-2007, 05:34 PM   #12
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If it isnt in the bible...it isnt true.
Gap Theory is in the Bible, and it is true.

Jeremiah 4:23-26 says,
I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. [24] I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. [25] I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. [26] I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.

The prophet is describing the condition of the Earth in Genesis 1:2. Allow me to demonstrate:


[1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. [2] And the earth was without form, and void [23]; and the heavens, and they had no light. [24] I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. [25] I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. [26] I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger. [3] And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

At what other time, beside the account of Genesis, was the Earth without form and void, and dark?
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It seems like there a lot of opinions on an unsupported theory- but still interesting-
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Oh yes the gap- is that clothing store or the space between someones teeth- LOL-- just kidding- lotsa room for personal bias on non salvation related issues!
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My thoughts exactly Boenerges.
I think as long as we keep in mind 1Cor15, these discussions are interesting. It seems everyone has an opinion on the non faith related issues. Hopefully we can all agree on our salvation though.
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If you research through these threads I angered a few people with my responses on a thread of this nature. My big thing is this....you've really got to "look" for the "gap" to find it. It definately doesn't jump out at you. And I think something of that magnitude, Jesus would have quoted. Also it would be thourghly mentioned throughout most scriptures. The people that support it only have a few scriptures to work with where as something of that magnitude would be widely wrote about. Imagine it for a minute...God...wipes out the earth completely...leaving it "without form or void"....thats huge....I hate to say it like this but I think it would be pointed to many time like this...." you see what I do when you don't do what I say....I 'll wipe the whole thing out....don't mess with me boy!!!!" Anything can be found in scripture, and somethings we will never get....but I live by a rule....if it isn't overwhelmingly obvious.....then it probably isn't so.
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Old 06-07-2007, 03:27 AM   #17
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I'm kind of waffling on this. Is there a point in scripture where it says there was a gap. Or is it a matter of interpretation. I am not a bible scholar, but I haven't seen anywhere in the Bible where it talks about a pre-Adamic age. Of course I study from the NIV and not the "original manuscripts"
Fair enough. I want to draw your attention to one very important gap that was found in the teachings of our Savior.

Luke 4:15-20
And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written. The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.


Jesus was quoting from Isaiah 61:



Isaiah 61:1-2
The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;




That, my friend, is a gap. Christ stopped square in the middle for a reason. The day of vengeance for God is not yet at hand.



That's not the only one, though:



Zechariah 9:9-10
Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

[Time Gap]

And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth.



II Peter 3:2-13 KJV
That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour: Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.


I've seen this misused time and again for Noah. Heaven never went anywhere during those 40 days and 40 nights.



I admit that Jesus never directly talked about the Earth ages. However, I think I have shown that the Scriptures let us know that there is more going on there when we look a little deeper. There are gaps and they are placed there for a reason. I agree 100% that understanding the world ages won't affect your salvation. However, I know that it gives one a better understanding at exactly what is going on in this world and exactly why we are where we are.
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Still guesswork though and needs to be seen in that light
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Perhaps a more descriptive and accurate statement might be:

"If it isn't in the ORIGINAL MANUSCRIPTS in Hebrew, Aramaic, Chaldean and Greek... it isn't true."

ALL Bible translations are flawed, whereas the Original Manuscripts from which ALL translations came from are not, because they WERE The Word of God as told directly to HIS prophets and scribes. Even the King James Version of 1611 contains manipulations, errors and biases that were NOT contained in the original parchments.

If you look carefully at scripture, you will determine that the time period between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 is MANY millions of years.

Our member - SwampFox is right on the money with his posting.
Do you have some the original manuscripts?
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Finally! Some good council from Boenerges, Da_Man, and Elijah!

I heard a Creation scientist once, speaking on the subject of the gap, and he said, “no one ever just sat down with Scripture and come up with this theory.”

It really does requires a lot of outside pagan resources, faulty science and a lot of imagination. Kind of like the Santa Clause theory.

One more thing and I mean no disrespect, but if some claiming to speak for the Lord tells you that you need them or their resources to understand the Bible, ummm saturate them with your absence.
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