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I have come to a dilemma I was hoping not to have to face for a while; allow me to explain.
Before I became a Christian, I was heavilly into the pubbing and clubbing scene, and this had many advantages, such as the amazing friends I made and then constant socialisation. One of the friends I made was a young girl called Karen, who I really grew to love (as a mate), because she was very caring and listening, and was always there for me, especially in my darkest hours and most hurting times. Well since I became a Christian, I left the pub and club scene behind, and it seems that all my darkest hours and hard times have been turned over to Jesus, and I'm happier than I've ever been. Well anyway, because of me being out of the scene, I've left a lot of my old friends behind, and this isn't always the best. I do miss them. Well today, I got a message on my Myspace from Karen saying she missed me and wanted to go out for a drink sometime to catch up and stuff. I would love to accept, but I'm kinda worried. You see, she's a practicing Wiccan, and I'm not sure what the Bible teaches on being friends with people who dabble in the occult. I also wouldn't know how to approach the whole new found faith issue in discussion with her, and wouldn't wanna lose her friendship because of my new faith in Jesus. So what should I do? Obviously Jesus said love everyone, and everyone needs to hear the word of God from someone, and no-one would ever say not to befriend a Jew or a Muslim. But equally, Wicca isn't a religion so much as it is pure evil. Any ideas how I should approach this? |
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It's definitely a difficult situation. Things in life are often not applied in simple, well-comprehended answers. However, here's my viewpoint:
If it was me that had that kind of friendship before, I'd definitely NOT terminate the friendship. Why you ask? It really all depends. The main logical (and Biblical) reason to not hang around with "bad" people is so that they do not influence you for the worse (Psalms 1 talks about this). However, I do not think the Bible is telling us to abandon every non-Christian and live like a hermit. I would say that this is probably the will of God. He wants to use this friendship so that you can witness to her with your words and your actions. Here's a good example: While you're catching up mention how you became a Christian. Something to remember: Don't ever consent to do anything sinful. People in the Wiccan and people who are in the occult are no different from anyone else who doesn't know Christ. As the saying goes, "If you're not one of us, you're one of them". This entire situation isn't dealt with different if she's a Wiccan or anything else (although you'd probably approach it differently for some situations). Don't let her influence you. You have been put in a very special position to witness. If you are not interested in finding ways to witness, the obvious answer is to get rid of the friendship. Take it one step at a time, remember to pray and get others to pray for you, and just trust God. If it is God's will for you to witness to her, you don't have to worry about your own personal faults. God can use you no matter what as long as you're open. We'll pray for you!
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That's some really awesome advice there t_a_j. I am just worried it's going to be hard to witness to someone who is a Wiccan. That said, nothing is impossible in God, as my coffee cup so frequently reminds me :-) (because it's written on there...not because it talks).
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Why can't you tell her you just aren't interested in the club scene anymore and suggest a cafe or coffee shop. Let her know up front you love and cherish her friendship but have moved on and outgrew alot of things you were interested in before. Let her know you will always be her friend as long as she can accept you for who you are now, as a Christian. And NEVER put a friendship before the Lord. That cannot even be a question in our minds. And in reality, as a Christian with a new life, you may find that you don't even enjoy her as much as before. Blessings to you~ |
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Friends are still friends... Though you don`t share the same thoughts now and don`t share the same interests...
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Yes, friends are still friends but when you no longer share common interests, things start to feel different. And any friendship that could possibly stand in the way of your walk with God isn't worth it. |
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It's not the interests I'm worried about. I'm still quite happy to go out and drink a beer with her, as much as I do with any other mate.
It's just the practicing Wiccan thing I'm more cautious of. |
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I understand but where things she did might not have bothered you before, it may feel uncomfortable to you now. That's all I meant. Your heart is in a different place now. Hopefully, you CAN witness to her and bring her out of the occult~ |
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Hey New Life.... glad to meet you..... you have a serious and difficult task ahead of you, no doubt, but the thing that you said that struck me the hardest in your OP is this line:
"and wouldn't wanna lose her friendship because of my new faith in Jesus." Up front on your mind ought to be the very reverse of this line of thinking.... that you can, now, only truly be her friend because of your new faith in Jesus. That now you are an ambassador for Christ... not for yourself or your family's name or anything else... you belong to Christ now and though of course you want to remain her friend, the friendship has to be on completely different bassis now. And as her friend you need to tell her the inevitable end of following the Wiccan religion. I am reminded of (Acts 16:16-18) As we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a slave girl who had a spirit of divination and brought her owners much gain by fortune-telling. She followed Paul and us, crying out, "These men are servants of the Most High God, who proclaim to you the way of salvation." And this she kept doing for many days. Paul, having become greatly annoyed, turned and said to the spirit, "I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her." And it came out that very hour." So here is a girl who was simply "telling the truth"... and in so many pluralistic, New Age type of religions we are told some truth..... but sadly along with some of these truths is the lie that there are many ways to God and salvation.... the witch of Endor may have conjured up Samuel to tell "the truth" to Saul, but this did not make what Saul did "right" even though he was told a truth... this slave girl in Acts 16:16-18 went about telling the truth about who Paul was, but the truth itself did not matter as much as the way the truth is arrived at, this had to have been the reason Paul eventually rebuked her. Why else? So for your Wiccan friend, she may have some things right... be loving and kind to others etc.... and these are good qualities to be sure... but she has arrived at these qualities in exactly the wrong way and needs to be lovingly rebuked that only Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life and no man or woman will go to God but through Jesus. Eventually, as you lovingly tell her of her need for Christ..... and its not as if you need to blast her with everything all at once, your friendship allows you a unique inroad to share the truth with her about the exclusivity of Christ over time, with patience, love and kindness, but never sacrificing truth at the expense of any of these other qualities (1 Peter 3:15-16) but in your hearts regard Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect, having a good conscience, so that, when you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame." So while the quote from St. Francis of Assisi (Preach the gospel at all times, and if necessary use words) is kind of quaint, its not really fully biblically faithful.... actually our conduct, our works, should be preaching the gospel at all times, but part of that very conduct, in fact, a very important part of that conduct, is being ready always to give a verbal account, is verbally preaching.... ie it is a "defense" of the truth. In Greek the word "defense" is "apologia", namely a verbal defense..... not an "apology" in the modern sense of the word as if you would be going around telling everyone how sorry you are for being a Christian for an "apology" in ancient Greek was an official legal term where one used to say that when they were giving an "apology", a defense of their position, ie a reasoned verbal defense for their actions as in a court of law or in front of your accusers, (see Strongs or Thayers concordances for the word "defense" in 1 Pe 3:15..... see also "Plato's Apology at http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/apology.html for this usage --- namely a verbal reasoned defense so for this reason) and that this task is a command of God to every Christian everywhere... not just the Pastor or the specialist in Apologetics.... just like it is not just the evangelist's job to share the gospel, so too it is every Christian's responsibility to give an account for the hope that is within them (ie engaging in Apologetics), you must do this as you speak to your friend about your faith in Christ, giving a reason for the hope that is within you, and just as going out into all the world making disciples of all nations simply cannot be done without the use of words, of preaching the gospel, of speaking the (biblical) truth into peoples lives, about how much God hates witchcraft etc...... Apologetics is taking the time to study the Bible as to just why it is that witchcraft is sin..... its about knowing and sharing the exclusivity of the Christian Gospel, about how Jesus was not merely just another great moral teacher, why the Bible can be trusted due to the number of manuscripts we have etc etc etc... all hard work to be sure.... but hard work that is commanded by God for each and every Christian..... cont. |
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but also emphasize the fact that while she practices this sin, it makes her no worse than you or I before we came to Christ, for we were all sinners when Christ reached out to us and we came to the Cross for salvation.... we can't say that someone coming out of a sinful lifestyle... we can't "stand above them" as it were as if we are better than them...... and when we confront people with the fact that their's is a sinful lifestyle, that we have to be clear that we are not trying to be a "holier than thou" kind of person.... we... every last one of us... are sinners saved by grace... (1 Corinthians 6:9-11) Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God." ........ and if she continues to refuse Christ, your relationship will change, perhaps sadly, perhaps gladly.... because the word of God always.... ALWAYS... accomplishes its purpose... in some cases it brings sinners to their knees in repentance, but in others it further and further hardens their hearts... we need not give up on such people, I am just saying that on a relational basis, things will change with her because of the inherent confrontational nature of the truth.... and if Christ Jesus is the only way to the Father, than the law of non-contradiction states that any other way that claims to be another way to God must be false.... there can't both be only one way to God and also a multitude of ways to God, this is logically impossible... getting this fact through to the hearts and minds of those involved in Pluralistic religions like Wiccans and Liberals and all sorts of other "religions" may be one of your hardest tasks. (if you get the chance, read the free full online text of J Gresham Machen's book called "Christianity and Liberalism" for more help in this area, this book is found in numerous places online, http://www.reformed.org/books/chr_and_lib/ is just one of those places) Getting through to her in a way that says it impossible that both you and her are right in religious matter, that the platitude "as long as you are sincere, thats all that matters" is a load of bunk, that maybe she is right, maybe you are right, or maybe you both are wrong are possibilities, but it is simply impossible that you are both right, there are contradictory truth propositions within both of your religious belief systems, your "worldviews", and it behooves both of you to work hard towards being certain that you are believing the truth. Your very soul depends on it. Maybe previously you were one of those "all paths lead to God" kinda people before you came to Christ, and so you had this worldview in common with this friend and maybe that was at least one reason she was always there for you, I don't know..... But Jesus and the exclusivity He taught tends to do at least 2 things, it is blasphemy to the Jews, and foolishness to the Gentiles, but in either case usually the ones who present this exclusivity are either thought to be right and you may have the extreme honor of being used of God to lead someone to Christ, or the persons you have been friends with will suddenly have other things to do when you call or come around. In any case its a fine line you have to walk.... you have to watch your heart.... guard it carefully... for persons just coming out of that "scene" can very very easily find themselves back slidden and sucked right back into that sinful lifestyle... so don't follow her into places where you have any uncertainty whatsoever that you can trust yourself to be there and not fall, because if you do fail in your witness to Christ in front of all the people you come into contact during the time you have stopped following God with both your actions and words ... your witness, character, and reputation.... will lose a great deal of its power and will defame the name of Christ. So its serious business. I loved the idea that Violet had about meeting in a different sort of place to talk. If she is your friend she wants to talk to you, find out how you are doing, and not looking for an excuse to have someone to go out and get drunk with. Something I heart a girl say that she had to say over and over to herself in order to leave behind that lifestyle is that "you must avoid people, places, and things" until you are strong enough to briefly, if at all, associate with people still chained to the bar scene (oh but how they will tell you that they are the ones who are "free"... riiiggghhhtttt). Remember too that (James 4:4) You adulterous people! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God." So pray, study, pray, and study over and over again because you have to remember that confrontations like the one you are contemplating are not mere "getting together with an old friend" though it may may seem so... it all may be all very subtle... but make no mistake about it my friend, you are involved in a war: (2 Timothy 2:4) No soldier gets entangled in civilian pursuits, since his aim is to please the one who enlisted him. (Ephesians 6:10-18) Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might. Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places. Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm. Stand therefore, having fastened on the belt of truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness, and, as shoes for your feet, having put on the readiness given by the gospel of peace. In all circumstances take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming darts of the evil one; and take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God, praying at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication. To that end keep alert with all perseverance....." so prepare your self for battle.... know the enemy (not that your friend is the enemy per se, but find out what she believes exactly and then find Christian authors who have dealt with the Wiccans before, so you can find out how best to witness to them, or read books on how to reach those persons involved in some New Age groups because they are very similar in some ways.... but if you are not prepared for battle... you will fall..... you need to have God, be praying, and be using the mind God gave you (reading good books on apologetics etc) in order to successfully encounter powers and principalities who's only reason for existence is to seduce people away from the truth and to prevent others who are in the truth from opening the eyes of those who have believed the lies of Satan. blessings, Ken |
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