Set Free!

Greetings Brethren in Jesus' Name,

I found this site today and if you really want
to know about the 'hidden' works of darkness :twisted:
going on in politics, government, the church,
the 'Catholic' [Whore Babylon] Church, 9\11
cover up and so on...please go to this web site!

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/

I warn you in adavance! Not for the 'carnal' Christian! ops:

We are in the 'finality' of the 'last days' prophesied
by Jesus!

John 16:13: Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth,
is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he
shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he
shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will
shew you things to come.

John 8:32: And ye shall know the truth, and the
truth shall make you free.

1Tim.4:1: Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that
in the latter times some shall depart from the faith,
giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

1Tim.4:2: Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their
conscience seared with a hot iron;

1Tim.:4:3: Forbidding to marry, and commanding t
o abstain from meats, which God hath created to be
received with thanksgiving of them which believe
and know the truth. 2 Tim. 3:1-7!

2Tim. 13: But evil men and seducers shall wax worse
and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

Let me know what God shows you and your thoughts!

God Bless!

Your brother in Christ,
Joe

SpiritLedEd

I doubt very much that one can legitimately claim that the Roman Catholic Church is the Babylon of the Book of Revelation. I'm more inclined to believe that the Babylon of Revelation is ALL denominations and congregations that have been bogged down in eccleastical bureaucracy and have "circled the wagons" in an attempt to resist change.


SLE

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Mark

Set Free,

This site is an odd combination of cheap sensationalism, poor graphics, conspiracy theory run amuck and conservative Christian beliefs. Too bad. Gives conservative Christians a poor face.

The same person who would believe the long since disproved DaVinci Code would also believe the many conspiracies on this site. That is, if they stay on the site for more than a few seconds. The accusations are strong, show a lack a real love and an understanding of any of Jesus’ methods of pointing out sin. I am not saying what the site operator is pointing out is not sin (except the wild conspiracy theories) but like the street corner "preacher" screaming "sinner, sinner" he will likely not be used by the Holy Spirit to help change one’s heart, but rather to harden them.

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Mark Strohm, Jr.
Thrifty Times

Set Free!

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I agree with you brother Mark on the 'Neon'
light 'sensationalism' part that you said.


I notice evrytime on Christian Forum sites
whenever the 'Catholic' church is even..
'remotely' attacked. Christians will 'rebuke'
the brother or sister in 'Christ' and 'appease'
the follower of this 'demonic' organization!

Unbelievable!! I'm not saying you are doing that,
but it's time to pull back the 'veil' and reveal to
those who are not aware of this 'sham' in the guise
of 'religious' clothes!

Hollywood loves to show the Catholic church as
righteous and 'Christ-loving'!! While they depict
Christians, as idle-minded, hypocritical, self-
righteous, 'Hell' preaching, bible thumping morons
who are most of the time frustrated ego maniacs!

Why??

Case in point that 'disgusting' piece of 'garbage' from
the pits of Hell titled- 'Saved'!!

But did you ever read 'Fox's Book of Martyrs'?

Who do you think tortured and murderd our
brothers and sisters in Christ?!

I am a 'former' Catholic and was a staunch
believer in the 'Mother' church of Rome at
one time! Whe I got saved, I prayed and asked
the Holy Spirit to show me , concerning the Catholic
church, what was in according to scripture. It's all
there in God's Word!

1Thess. 5:21: Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

Jer. 7:18; 44:17-19 & 45. Speak about the 'Queen
of Heaven' and not to worship or pay homage to
this 'false' god!

The Catholic church 'worships' the 'Queen of Heaven'!

Of course they call her the 'Virgin Mary'! On the statue
of 'Mary' usually holding the 'baby' Jesus, [which the
hallow is take from 'Horus' the 'Falcon-headed solar
god of the Egyptians] is written in Latin on the 'base'
of it " The 'Queen of Heaven'!!!!

The most terrible 'act' in the Romish church where untold
thousands upon thousands of Christians were tortured
and gave their lives for Christ, was in the 'mass'!

The crucifixion of Jesus Christ happened ONE TIME. Jesus
died ONE TIME for the sins of the whole world. Not MANY
times as in the Roman mass. They call King Jesus,
"The Victim" and the priest supposedly has
the power to slay Him on Romish altars over and
over again.

They supposedly call Jesus out of heaven into a piece of
bread and some wine so that the people can eat His literal
flesh and drink His literal blood--this is the mass.

The mass is not the remembrance of the sacrifice of Jesus,
it is supposed to actually be THE sacrifice of Jesus in the
"species" of the bread and wine.
The bread and wine are supposedly "transubstantiated"
or changed into flesh and blood.

Roman doctrine says the whole body, soul, and divinity of
Jesus Christ is in that bread that they eat. In other words,
papists believe that they are cannibals--even though the
bread still tastes like bread and the wine tastes like wine.
Blasphemy! Heresy!

If 'not' the 'whore' of Revelation, I don't know what religious
organization 'fits' the description as the Catholic church?!

You are right about the melting pot false religions including
the Catholic church. But the Protestant Reformation pointed
the finger at the 'Beast' as they refered to it!

In their King James Bibles they identify the 'Roman' Church
as the 'revived' 'beast' in Revelation. From 'military' Rome
that was crushed only to put on a 'new' religious garb and
become 'Papal' Rome, with the succession of ungodly and
'unsaved' popes donning the 'mitre' [A liturgical headdress
worn by bishops on formal occasions] of the fish god ....
'Dagon' who the Phillistines worshipped!

'Dagon' - Judges 16:23; 1Sam.5:2-5&7; 1Chron.10:10.

Rev. 13:3: And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded
to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world
wondered after the beast. Of course as you study church
history the first' church labeled that monster 'Nero' as the
anti- christos, or the 'sustitute of Christ.

All the way to the reformation prompted by Martin Luther
nailing his famous 95 'thesis' on the Catholic church door in
'Worms' Germany. The reformation made 'no bones' about
calling 'it' the 'Whore of Revelation' and the 'Beast'. Some
theologians state that the 'sign' of the 'cross' is the fulfillment
of God's Word concerning these verse, Rev. 13:16

Rev. 13:16: And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and
poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or
in their foreheads: They say that it is a 'symbol' of a doctrine
of 'endoctrination', the idea of 'making' the 'SIGN OF THE CROSS'.

This organization is 'steeped' in 'mystery' that the poor
parishoners are really lost in a 'mass' that is said in a 'dead'
language of 'Latin'!!

Many 'former' Catholics I have heard on t.v. , some I met and
some I had the extreme 'honor' of leading to Christ, all said
they 'saw' the Catholic church as 'Mystery Babylon' and were
so thankful that God showed His Grace and led them out of
that 'wicked' and 'unscriptural' religious mess!

Is it the 'beast', is it Mystery Babylon, will it be at least the 'false'
prophet heralding the anti-christ? A lot of people I have heard
in 'prophecy' meetings, t.v. and radio label 'Nero' as the 'Beast'
and that's why Paul wrote to the Thessalonians that they were
'not' forsaken' and that the 'Day' of Christ' [2nd. coming] had
not come and passed them by. The persecution at that time
was horrible! 2 Tess.2:2-4.

There are 'many' points I could 'delve' into to show why I
believe this false' religion is an abomination spoken of and
'proven' by history and God's Word of possibly fulfilling the
'historical'view point Revelation'.

Your brother in Christ,
Joe

Mark

Joe,

I am well aware of the doctinal problems Catholics have with the Bible. My mother was Catholic and until the day her mom died she was on the "outs" for converting away from catholicism and accepting Christ as her Savior.

I honestly don't think the Catholics are getting more "kindness" or acceptance than Protestant Christians. The media seems to love pointing out every Priest sex abuse - despite the fact that our children are far more likely to be abused in schools than in a Catholic church.

I think we need to represent Scriputral thruth - I just wish we would do it thoughtfully and in good taste.

Mark

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Thrifty Times

mcapehart

You guys are very misinformed.

I can defend every dispute and false claim you have given, but rather than write a novel here.

Please see some of the documents here. Yes these are written by modern people, but the scriptural references within should be enough.

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-Michael
Deut 6:4-9 ( http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/deute...uteronomy6.htm ) ><>

LA-girl

I agree a 100 % with Set free in this matter. But to all of you who believe the RCC is the beast, what do you think is the mark of the beast?
In other words: Mark of the Roman Catholic church?:questionmark:

Btw: this is what I was trying to show to all of you when I was outting out the link to The total onslaught series. If you watch that serie you will no longer be in doubt that there is a lot going on behind the scenes...and it sure is not pretty! And to those who accuse christians for being judgemental, why would there even be a book of revelation, book of Daniel if it were not to reveal the true beast. Satan is a deciever and he will decieve all those who do not care to take the Bibles warning seriously I'm afraid...

LA-girl

Mark required biblical scriptures for identifying the beast:

God gives us nine characteristics of Antichrist in Daniel 7 so we can be certain of his identity. And even though some may find these truths from God's Word painful, we must be honest enough to accept them as His revealed will. Now let's discover what Jesus' nine points are:

A. The "little horn" or kingdom "came up among them"--the 10 horns which were the kingdoms of Western Europe (Daniel 7:8). So it would be a little kingdom somewhere in Western Europe.

B. It would have a man at its head who could speak for it (Daniel 7:8).

C. It would pluck up or uproot three kingdoms (Daniel 7:8).

D. It would be "diverse" or different from the other 10 kingdoms (Daniel 7:24).

E. It would make war with and "wear out" or persecute the saints (Daniel 7:21, 25).

F. It would emerge from the pagan Roman empire--the fourth world kingdom (Daniel 7:7, 8).

G. God?s people (the saints) would "be given into his hand" for "a time and times and the dividing of time" (Daniel 7:25).

H. It would "speak great words against" or blaspheme God (Daniel 7:25). In Revelation 13:5, the Bible says the same power speaks "great things and blasphemies."

I. It would "think to change times and laws." Daniel 7:25.

Don't forget--all these identification points come directly from the Bible. They are not some human opinion or speculation. Historians could tell you quickly what power is being described. These points can fit only one power--the papacy. But in order to be certain, let us carefully examine all nine points, one by one. There must be no room left for doubt.


8. Does the papacy fit these points?
The papacy clearly fits all nine identification points.


Read the whole study guide at:

http://www.prophecycode.com/current-...=9&userid=3737

mira

Hello Joe,
To equate the RCC as the 'Whore of Babylon' is going a little to far.
I do not agree with most of their doctrines, but they do beleve Jesus Christ is their Savior. We all have doctrinal errors, we just don't think so. :angel:
See Mt.7:1-4

God bless you,
mira

LA-girl

But the Bible tells us that the Whore of Babylon is a church of God, that is claims to be.

Take a look at the description given in the Bible about the Whore of babylon and judge for yourself:

A. It "came up among" the 10 kingdoms of Western Europe. The geographical location of the papal power was in Rome, Italy--the very heart of the territory of Western Europe.

B. It would have a man at its head who speaks for it.The papacy meets this identifying mark because it does have one man at the head (the pope) who speaks for it.

C. It would pluck up or uproot three kingdoms.The emperors of Western Europe were largely Catholic and supported the papacy in its growth and authority. Three Arian kingdoms, however, did not support the papacy--the Vandals, Heruli, and Ostrogoths. So the Catholic emperors decided they must be subdued or destroyed. Here is how Dr. Mervyn Maxwell, a theologian and historian, described the results in volume 1, page 129, of his book God Cares: "The Catholic emperor Zeno (474-491) arranged a treaty with the Ostrogoths in 487 which resulted in the eradication of the kingdom of the Arian Heruls in 493. And the Catholic emperor Justinian (527-565) exterminated the Arian Vandals in 534 and significantly broke the power of the Arian Ostrogoths in 538. Thus were Daniel's three horns --the Heruls, the Vandals, and the Ostrogoths--'plucked up by the roots.' " It is not difficult to recognize that the papacy fits this point.

D. It would be "diverse" or different from the other kingdoms.The papacy clearly fits this description, also. It came on the scene as a religious power and was totally different from the secular nature of the other 10 kingdoms.

E. It would make war with and persecute the saints. That the church did persecute is a well-known fact. The papacy clearly admits doing so. Much supportive evidence exists. Even conservative historians claim the church probably destroyed at least 50 million people over matters of religious conviction. We will quote here from two sources:

1. "That the Church of Rome has shed more innocent blood than any other institution that has ever existed among mankind, will be questioned by no Protestant who has a competent knowledge of history. 1

2. In The History of the Inquisition of Spain, D. Ivan Antonio Llorente provides these figures from the Spanish Inquisition alone:

31,912 persons were condemned and perished in the flames.
241,450 persons were condemned to severe penalties.
F. It would emerge from the fourth kingdom of iron--the pagan Roman Empire.
We are quoting two authorities on this point:
1. "The mighty Catholic Church was little more than the Roman Empire baptised ... The very capital of the old Roman Empire became the capital of the Christian empire. The office of Pontifex Maximus was continued in that of the pope." 2
2. "Whatever Roman elements the barbarians and Arians left ... [came] under the protection of the Bishop of Rome, who was the chief person there after the emperor's disappearance. The Roman Church in this way privily pushed itself into the place of the Roman World-Empire, of which it is the actual continuation." 3 So, once again, the point fits the papacy.

G. God's people (the saints) would "be given into his hand" for "a time and times and the dividing of time." Daniel 7:25.
Several things need clarification in connection with this point:
1. A time is a year, times is two years, and the dividing of time is a half-year. The Amplified Bible translates it: "Three and one-half years." 4
2. This same time period is mentioned seven times (Daniel 7:25; 12:7; Revelation 11:2, 3; 12:6, 14; 13:5) in the books of Daniel and Revelation: three times as a time, times, and half a time; twice as 42 months; and twice as 1,260 days. Based on the 30-day calendar used by the Jews, these time periods are all the same amount of time:
3 1/2 years = 42 months = 1,260 days.
3. One prophetic day equals one literal year (Ezekiel 4:6; Numbers 14:34).
4. Thus, the little horn (Antichrist) was to have power over the saints for 1,260 prophetic days or 1,260 literal years.
5. The rule of the papacy began in A.D. 538, when the last of the three opposing Arian kingdoms was uprooted. Its rule continued until 1798 when Napoleon's general, Berthier, took the pope captive with hopes of destroying both Pope Pius VI and the political, secular power of the papacy. This period of time is an exact fulfillment of the 1,260-year prophecy. The blow was a deadly wound for the papacy, but that wound began to heal and continues healing today.
6. This same period of persecution is mentioned in Matthew 24:21 as the worst period of persecution God's people will ever experience. Verse 22 tells us it was so devastating that not one soul would have survived if God had not shortened it. But God did shorten it. The persecution ended long before the pope was taken captive in 1798. It is plain to see that this point, likewise, fits the papacy.

H. It would speak "great words" of blasphemy "against the most High [God]."
Blasphemy has two definitions in Scripture:
1. Claiming to forgive sins (Luke 5:21).
2. Claiming to be God (John 10:33).

Does this point fit the papacy? Yes! Let's first look at the evidence for it claiming to forgive sins: "Does the Priest truly forgive the sins, or does he only declare that they are remitted? The Priest does really and truly forgive the sins in virtue of the power given to him by Christ." 5 The papacy further undermines Jesus by setting up a system of confession to an earthly priest, thus bypassing Jesus, our High Priest (Hebrews 3:1; 8:1, 2) and only Mediator (1 Timothy 2:5).

Next consider the evidence for it claiming to be God: "We [the popes] hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty." 6 Here is another: "The pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, but he is Jesus Christ, Himself, hidden under the veil of flesh." 7

It's obvious this point, likewise, fits the papacy.


The Bible says Antichrist would attempt to change God's law. I. It would "think to change times and laws."
In a future Study Guide we will deal with the "times" of this point. It is a major topic and needs separate consideration. But what about changing the "laws"? The Amplified Bible translates "laws" as "the law." The reference is to changing God's law. Of course, no one can really change it, but has the papacy attempted to do so? The answer is "yes."

In its catechisms, the papacy has omitted the second commandment against veneration of images and has shortened the fourth commandment from 94 words to eight and divided the tenth commandment into two commandments. (Check this for yourself. Compare the Ten Commandments in any Catholic catechism with God's list of the commandments in Exodus 20:3-17.) There is no doubt that the little horn power of Daniel chapter 7 (the Antichrist) is the papacy. No other organization could possibly fit these nine points. And incidentally, this is no new teaching. Every Reformer, without exception, spoke of the papacy as Antichrist. 8

Words of Care and Concern
Lest some should think that we are attacking fellow Christians by identifying this little-horn power, please keep in mind that the prophecy is aimed at a system and not individuals. There are sincere, devout Christians in all churches, including the Catholic faith. Daniel chapter 7 is simply a message of judgment and correction upon a large religious institution which compromised with paganism, like so many other churches that arose after her.

Source: same link as in my previous post.