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Old 04-02-2007, 09:17 PM   #11
 
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Old 04-02-2007, 09:25 PM   #12
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I don't really know what camp I fall into in terms of evangelical v. protestant, but know that baptism as we traditionally know it is only a symbol of inward conversion. A person can be dunked, dribbled on, squirted, sprayed, or whatever without true salvation. The physical act of baptism is obedience to Christ's commands, but not necessary for salvation (see the thief on the cross). However, it is a very powerful symbol to the public about where you stand and who you stand for. I don't mean to belittle the act as it is extremely important, but it's more important that we realize baptism itself DOES NOT SAVE; only the inward confession to Christ and acceptance as our Savior saves our souls.

But, there are plenty of folks who have been baptized and have never truly been saved through Christ. Many believe that the physical act of baptism saves, which is completely false.

I guess from my personal experience, I was baptized as an infant. As I grew older and accepted Christ during college, I originally believed that my previous baptism was sufficient. I know 100% that I would have entered heaven without another baptism, but after reading His word and praying about the decision, it was clear that I needed to be baptised again. Not only for me to show the world and be held accountable, but also as a witness to others who knew me in the past. My first baptism was ceremonial and had no effect on me whatsoever, but the second one was very important to my development as a Christian.

I wouldn't focus on the protestant v. evangelical monickers. Don't let the definitions of men distract you from what the Bible tells us clearly.
Very good answer!!!

You can be drug up and down every river in the world and it isn't going to save you if your heart is not right. I view baptism of the Spirit as having a willing heart to serve God. I agree 100% with BassMasa. Jesus gave us the example of water baptism, so I do feel that it is very important for us to do, but not absolutely necessary.

The thief on the cross was baptized in the spirit, which meant he had a willing heart and desire to serve God. Thus he was saved. He had no chance to be baptized with water, so I feel that he will not be accountable. But, if we do have the chance to be baptized and neglect to do so, I feel that we will have to answer for why we did not. Don't think it will keep a person out of Heaven, but I do figure we'll have to do some explaining.

Water baptism should be done in conjunction with baptism of the Spirit.
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I don't really know what camp I fall into in terms of evangelical v. protestant, but know that baptism as we traditionally know it is only a symbol of inward conversion. A person can be dunked, dribbled on, squirted, sprayed, or whatever without true salvation. The physical act of baptism is obedience to Christ's commands, but not necessary for salvation (see the thief on the cross). However, it is a very powerful symbol to the public about where you stand and who you stand for. I don't mean to belittle the act as it is extremely important, but it's more important that we realize baptism itself DOES NOT SAVE; only the inward confession to Christ and acceptance as our Savior saves our souls.

But, there are plenty of folks who have been baptized and have never truly been saved through Christ. Many believe that the physical act of baptism saves, which is completely false.

I guess from my personal experience, I was baptized as an infant. As I grew older and accepted Christ during college, I originally believed that my previous baptism was sufficient. I know 100% that I would have entered heaven without another baptism, but after reading His word and praying about the decision, it was clear that I needed to be baptised again. Not only for me to show the world and be held accountable, but also as a witness to others who knew me in the past. My first baptism was ceremonial and had no effect on me whatsoever, but the second one was very important to my development as a Christian.

I wouldn't focus on the protestant v. evangelical monickers. Don't let the definitions of men distract you from what the Bible tells us clearly.
Thats not really what i was referring to. The pentecostals have a bery different view of the baptism of the Spirit which is usually accompanied with immense joy, tongues, etc. Baptism of the water I understand, but thanks anyway.
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water baptism and penetcostal baptism are indeed different - one is immersion in water signifying death and ressurection with Christ - the other is the outpouring and infilling of God's Holy Spirit.
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If you don't mind me sharing this I was saved , walking and serving the Lord for about 7 years when I was driving down the highway and I asked the Lord to pour out His Holy Spirit on me as on the day of Pentecost and He did - it was an awesome expierience as I felt His power being poured out on me- my life and my relationship with God has never been the same!
Hey Boanerges! I thought I was the only one on the planet that recieved the baptism of the Holy Ghost while driving down the highway! I haven't ever heard of anyone else having this wonderful experience happen to them like that!
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Thats not really what i was referring to. The pentecostals have a bery different view of the baptism of the Spirit which is usually accompanied with immense joy, tongues, etc. Baptism of the water I understand, but thanks anyway.
I see what you mean. While I don't know the exact differences, I think the general principle is the same, but Pentecostals show more outward signs than anything I've ever experienced. Quite honestly, I really don't know enough to give an educated answer. I have some Pentecostal friends and I've never attended their services, but I know that members will sometimes speak in tongues and have much more eventful services than most.

But, the heart of the matter remains the same regardless of denomination--we must accept Christ as our savior in order for the Holy Spirit to enter. If you speak in tongues afterwards is just not important. I hope no one lets that get in the way of a personal relationship with Christ.
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