elijah

I've heard it alluded to in scripture....the apostles creed speaks of it,and a few other creeds also speak of it. Whats your thoughts on it?

Daniel

Well, Jesus was separated from God for three days, so I'd say that's hell. Boy, that's a hard paradox to fathom!

Padelford

People say that God is everywhere. Then he is in Hell too... So Jesus wouldn't be without God.

Daniel

But Jesus was separated from God because He took on the sins of the world. It's our sins which separate us from God. But it's Jesus who bridges the gap.

But even we say that God and Jesus weren't separated, we do know that God had forsaken Jesus (which does suggest a separation).

Struick

Luke 23:43 : Jesus said, "Today, you will be with me in Paradise."

Boanerges

Ok there are three Greek words in the New Testament for hell:
1.
G86
ᾅδης
hadēs
hah'-dace
From G1 (as a negative particle) and G1492; properly unseen, that is, “Hades” or the place (state) of departed souls: - grave, hell.

2.
G1067
γέεννα
geenna
gheh'-en-nah
Of Hebrew origin ([H1516] and [H2011]); valley of (the son of) Hinnom; gehenna (or Ge-Hinnom), a valley of Jerusalem, used (figuratively) as a name for the place (or state) of everlasting punishment: - hell.

3.G5020
ταρταρόω
tartaroō
tar-tar-o'-o
From Τάρταρος Tartaros̄ (the deepest abyss of Hades); to incarcerate in eternal torment: - cast down to hell.

As you can see by the following scriptures it was prophesied that God would not leave Jesus's soul in hell using the first definition which never mentions eternal torture but instead was used to refer to the grave

Act 2:22 Ye men435 of Israel,2475 hear191 these5128 words;3056 Jesus2424 of Nazareth,3480 a man435 approved584 of575 God2316 among1519 you5209 by miracles1411 and2532 wonders5059 and2532 signs,4592 which3739 God2316 did4160 by1223 him846 in1722 the midst3319 of you,5216 as2531 ye846 yourselves also2532 know:1492
Act 2:23 Him,5126 being delivered1560 by the3588 determinate3724 counsel1012 and2532 foreknowledge4268 of God,2316 ye have taken,2983 and by1223 wicked459 hands5495 have crucified4362 and slain:337
Act 2:24 Whom3739 God2316 hath raised up,450 having loosed3089 the3588 pains5604 of death:2288 because2530 it was2258 not3756 possible1415 that he846 should be holden2902 of5259 it.846
Act 2:25 For1063 David1138 speaketh3004 concerning1519 him,846 I foresaw4308 the3588 Lord2962 always1223, 3956 before1799 my face,3450 for3754 he is2076 on1537 my3450 right hand,1188 that2443 I should not3361 be moved:4531
Act 2:26 Therefore1223, 5124 did my3450 heart2588 rejoice,2165 and2532 my3450 tongue1100 was glad;21 moreover1161, 2089 also2532 my3450 flesh4561 shall rest2681 in1909 hope:1680
Act 2:27 Because3754 thou wilt not3756 leave1459 my3450 soul5590 in1519 hell,86 neither3761 wilt thou suffer1325 thine4675 Holy One3741 to see1492 corruption.1312

As you can see by the next scripture that Jesus claimed He would be in paradise
Luk 23:43 And2532 Jesus2424 said2036 unto him,846 Verily281 I say3004 unto thee,4671 Today4594 shalt thou be2071 with3326 me1700 in1722 paradise.3857

G3857
παράδεισος
paradeisos
par-ad'-i-sos
Of Oriental origin (compare [H6508]); a park, that is, (specifically) an Eden (place of future happiness, “paradise”): - paradise.

This seems to imply that Jesus indeed went to Abraham's bosom

Luk 16:22 And1161 it came to pass,1096 that the3588 beggar4434 died,599 and2532 was(846) carried667 by5259 the3588 angels32 into1519 Abraham's11 bosom:2859 (1161) the3588 rich man4145 also2532 died,599 and2532 was buried;2290
Luk 16:23 And2532 in1722 hell86 he lifted up1869 his848 eyes,3788 being5225 in1722 torments,931 and seeth3708 Abraham11 afar off,575, 3113 and2532 Lazarus2976 in1722 his846 bosom.2859

G11
Ἀβραάμ
Abraam
ab-rah-am'
Of Hebrew origin [H85]; Abraham, the Hebrew patriarch. In Act_7:16 the text should probably read Jacob: - Abraham.
G2859
κόλπος
kolpos
kol'-pos
Apparently a primary word; the bosom; by analogy a bay: - bosom, creek.

This was apparently the holding place of God's righteous people waiting for the resurection of Christ to open the gates of heaven to them-

My opinion of this (and only my opinion) is that Jesus did not go to hell in the literal sense but instead went to a place of rest having already done His work which was evident when He said "it is finished"

I would certainly be interested in hearing other opinions on this subject as it is a fairly interesting topic.

Struick

I agree with you, Boaneres.

One things' for sure, first He went to paradise as indicated when He talked to the thief on the cross next to Him.

Daniel

Jesus was in the "heart of the earth" for three days and three nights just as Jonah was in the "belly of a huge fish" for three days and three nights. That may not be hell (although I think it's a reference to it), but it's definitely not a description of paradise either. I think when Jesus told the one thief that "Today you will be with me in paradise", it was not a reference to where Jesus was going immediately after death on the cross. Jesus first had to suffer separation from God (which is a paradox) and then be raised back to life to walk the earth again for a short time before He ascended to paradise. And besides, when Jesus said that the theif would be in paradise with Him "today", it was true, because even as Jesus spoke the words, He was already in paradise! Jesus is God! So, God was both in paradise and in the heart of the earth at the same time! It has to be. How else could life have survived with God being dead for three days and three nights?

Here's another thought...was Jesus wrong about "three days and three nights"? How is it that Jesus died Friday morning and rose Sunday and still was in the heart of the earth three days and three nights? I've had a hard time explaining this to other people and I would like to know what some of you have answered to this.

David Dansker

We know this:

Mat 12:40
(40) For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

And we know this:

Luk 23:43
(43) And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.


And this parable reveals the answer to the question:


Luk 16:19-31
(19) There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
(20) And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
(21) And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
(22) And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
(23) And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
(24) And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
(25) But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
(26) And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
(27) Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
(28) For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
(29) Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
(30) And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
(31) And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

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Struick

Why would you think that?
After all, he did say : today.