LoveRevival

In the first teaching on the prophetic life I shared the revelation the Lord gave me when it came to the story of Joseph. The life of Joseph was the embodiment of the life of Christ. With other words Joseph was a prophet that manifested the message through all he went through, his life became the prophetic word of the coming Christ and what he would go through.

Joseph life journey has inspired and encouragement many of us. You see his biography is until this day a prophetic encouragement to us and the Spirit is still using his life journey to give comfort and revelation about the high ways of God our Father.

Embodying the message.
I’m starting to understand and grasp that our very lives are being used by God to speak a message. I’m one of those people that loves to read and hear about life journeys. Not just the victories but the hard times and the troubled times too. Many times the Lord has used somebodies life Journey to speak a message to me.

What am I saying? We have to realize that prophecy is not just instant revelation or the flow of words. It is so much more to prophecy and being a prophetic person. I believe strongly in that God takes us through things and make our history a word of prophecy or a prophetic example to somebody else.

Your life becomes the message.
The Lord has showed me that what He has done with me so far and my personal testimonies of His touch and restoration is a prophetic word that He assigned me to prophecy. It has been amazing so far to see what kind of demonstrations the Father has preformed as I have shared my stories of the touch of God. Its like the very testimonies are prophetic words of invitation to have the same experience and the same tangible touch from the Father.

The Forerunners.
Some of us is called to pave the way for others to walk in. We are examples of what God is going to do and what he wants to do in many others. The forerunners is often before their time in manifesting what God will do in the future. We have to recognize these examples God is raising up in these times. Without becoming envious or start competing with those prophetic lives that God is raising up to be examples of what the Father wants to do in a whole new generation. They are only examples to us and they are prophetic messages to us, living letters if you will from the Father showing us what he wants us to enter into.

The revealing of the Sons of God.
In these days the Revelation of the Fatherhood of God is being released over the church and he is wanting us to receive this revelation in order to enter into the Sonship and growing into perfection of LOVE, just as our Father is Perfect. The world is waiting on the revealing of the Sons of God. A Son of God is somebody who has reached "full age." Sons manifests their Heavenly Fathers nature in the earth arena. They are walking in the same union Jesus the first born had with the Father. Now we are being transformed into the image of His Son, the first born among many brothers.
(Rom 8:29)

Jesus Was the first born and the forerunner of a whole new generation. Let us look at Him and follow the Father just as He did.

"I only do what I see my Father do."

(Written by Jonatan Svensson)

epistemaniac

interesting.... I agree that our lives are a witness... to be sure... though we can't take it as an absolute, I liked what Francis of Assisi said

"Preach the gospel at all times, and, if necessary, use words".

one of the things you write that I personally had a bit of a problem with is this:

They are walking in the same union Jesus the first born had with the Father.

No one has ever or will ever walk in the same union with the Father that Jesus had, for He is God's one and only unique Son. But we are all to be sons and daughters of God.... right? Yes... of course, we should always strive to walk as Jesus walked, in as close a fellowship to God as we can. But there are 2 things that we must remember,
1. We are sinners saved by grace, Jesus never sinned. Based on that fact alone, we will never walk as closely to the Father as Jesus did. Also because
2. Jesus is a Son by nature, we, on the other hand, are sons and daughters by adoption.

I do appreciate your encouragement to walk with God in a way that is glorifying to Him.... Jesus said (Matthew 5:16) In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven."

I also like what you said about prophecy... many think that prophecy is simply foretelling the future, but biblically, it more often means "forth telling".... that is, telling others what God has already revealed in Scripture, and calling people back to that truth…..

one way to test a person claiming to be a prophet is:

(Deuteronomy 13:1-5) "If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, 'Let us go after other gods,' which you have not known, 'and let us serve them,' you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the Lord your God is testing you, to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after the Lord your God and fear him and keep his commandments and obey his voice, and you shall serve him and hold fast to him. But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has taught rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you out of the house of slavery, to make you leave the way in which the Lord your God commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the evil from your midst."

and of course the true prophet of God may (attempt to) tell of things to come.... we are also given ways to test such "prophets":

(Deuteronomy 18:20-22) But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.' And if you say in your heart, 'How may we know the word that the Lord has not spoken?'-- when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him."

So being a "prophet", calling yourself a prophet, is a very very serious thing... I am in no way saying that you are a false prophet.... don't get me wrong.... I am just saying that there are merely many warnings for us (normal every day Christians) to heed....


Matthew 7:15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray.

Matthew 24:24-27 For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand. So, if they say to you, 'Look, he is in the wilderness,' do not go out. If they say, 'Look, he is in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man."

Mark 13:22-23 False christs and false prophets will arise and perform signs and wonders, to lead astray, if possible, the elect. But be on guard; I have told you all things beforehand."

2 Peter 2:1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction."

1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world."

Again, I am in no way calling you a false prophet, but since you seem to want to have the title "prophet" applied to you, since the Bible is so full of warnings, it would behoove us to be well acquainted with them.

Lastly, I would just point out that no "prophet" will add to God's revelation to us in the Scriptures. The canon of Scripture is closed, no "new revelation" is necessary for we already have all we need for life and godliness in Scripture,
2 Peter 1:3-7 His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence, by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire. For this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge, and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness, and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love."


and we know that in former times God used prophets, but, in these last days, He has spoken to us through His Son, and no one can supplant, take away from or add to the words of the Son and His message....
Hebrews 1:1-2 Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world."

blessings,
Ken

LoveRevival

Dear Brother.

As far as I know I did not write that I'm a Prophet.
But I did talk about being a prophetic person or having a prophetic life that would be to encouragement to others in the future just like josephs life is such an encouragement to us today.

In Love, Jonatan S

epistemaniac

well speaking of yourself as a "forerunner", comparing your life to that of Joseph..... plus you said "The Lord has showed me that what He has done with me so far and my personal testimonies of His touch and restoration is a prophetic word that He assigned me to prophecy." well you are defintely referring to yourself in ways that seem to indicate that in your mind, you are a prophet, "assigned to prophecy". You aslo said "Its like the very testimonies are prophetic words of invitation to have the same experience and the same tangible touch from the Father." Again.... words that seem to indicate that you think of yourselrf, on some level at least, a prophet..... you also sad "The Forerunners. Some of us is called to pave the way for others to walk in. We are examples of what God is going to do and what he wants to do in many others. The forerunners is often before their time in manifesting what God will do in the future. We have to recognize these examples God is raising up in these times. Without becoming envious or start competing with those prophetic lives that God is raising up to be examples of what the Father wants to do in a whole new generation. They are only examples to us and they are prophetic messages to us, living letters if you will from the Father showing us what he wants us to enter into."
Well you seem to think of yourself as one of those "forerunners', called by God to "pave the way for others to walk in" (and you may be just that).... but that you are also a "special example"..... of God working in you..... and you are calling others to recognize these things about you,that you are ahead of others, before other's time, that you are a sort of "prophetic living letter" to us..... and you recognize that you are saying these things about yourself because you encourage others to not be jealous of you and how special you are, that you are a living prophetic message to us, the "normal" Christians, of how you are the special one, and you are an example of what the Father wants us to "enter in to"....

If thse things are noit saying that you are a prophet, I don't know what would be.....

Secondly, though, and even more important to me was your assertion that They are walking in the same union Jesus the first born had with the Father.
For reasons I gave, this just isn't so. We are called to be Sons and Daughters, true, but we will never be the kind of Son that Jesus is.... we are to imitate Him as much as possible, but we will never be Him,. never be equal to Him for He is God of God, eternal, perfect, sinless....

Also consider this:
John 1:14 (ESV) And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth."
Notice the word "only" in this verse... its the word monogenes... Thayers puts it this way "monogenēs Thayer Definition: 1) single of its kind, only....
1b) used of Christ, denotes the only begotten son of God".
So all I am trying to do is to stress to absolute unique relationship th SOn has tot he Father. Now I don't know much of anything about your theology, but with the name it claim folks like Kenneth Hagin and Kenneth Copeland running around telling everyone that they are sons "just like Jesus", and that they are in turn "little gods"... well you just have to be so careful what you say.....
elsewhere we read:
"For John, Jesus is the Son of God in a unique sense. Unlike Paul, John never used the Greek word hyios ("son") to describe believers in their relationship to God. Instead, believers are referred to as "children of God" in both John's gospel and his epistles (tekna theou, John 1:12; 11:52; 1 John 3:1-2, 10; 5:2). The phrase hyios theou is reserved by John as a description of Jesus in His unique relationship to the Father. This is emphasized in John 3:16, 18 where Jesus is described as God's "one and only Son" (NIV; NASB "only begotten Son"). Throughout the entire gospel of John the uniqueness of Jesus' relationship to the Father is maintained." —A Biblical Theology of the New Testament

Another excellent source says John alone uses monogenés to describe the relation of Jesus to God the Father, presenting Him as the unique one, the only one (mónos) of a class or kind (génos), in the discussion of the relationship of the Son to the Father (John 1:14, 18; 3:16, 18; 1 John 4:9). Génos, from which genés in monogenés is derived, means race, stock, family, class or kind, and génō comes from gÃ*nomai <G1096>, become, as in John 1:14, "and the Word became [egéneto] flesh." This is in distinction from gennáō <G1080>, to beget, engender or create. The noun from gennáō is génnēma <G1081>, the result of birth. So then, the word means one of a kind or unique. There are two schools of thought regarding the meaning of this term. The first view, which began with Origen, teaches that Christ's unique Sonship and His generation by the Father are eternal being predicated of Him in respect to His participation in the Godhead. Although monogenés was traditionally cited in proof of this explanation, modern proponents, recognizing the mistaken identification of genés as a derivative of gennáō instead of génos, understand the word to be descriptive of the kind of Sonship Christ possesses and not of the process establishing such a relationship. This would serve to distinguish the Son-ship of Christ to God from that spoken of other beings, e.g., Adam (Luke 3:28), angels (Job 1:6), or believers (John 1:12). The last view teaches that Christ's unique Sonship and generation by the Father are predicated of Him in respect to the incarnation. The proponents of this interpretation unequivocally affirm the triune nature of the Godhead and Christ's deity teaching that it is the word lógos <G3056>, Word, which designates His personage within the Godhead. Christ's Sonship expresses an economical relationship between the Word and the Father assumed via the incarnation. This stands in fulfillment of OT prophecies which identify Christ as both human, descending from David, and divine, originating from God. Like David and the other kings descending from him, Christ is the Son of God by position (2 Sam. 7:14), but unlike them and because of His divine nature, He is par excellence the Son of God by nature (Psalm 2:7; Heb. 1:5). Thus the appellation refers to the incarnate Word, God made flesh, not simply the preincarnate Word. Therefore, monogenés can be held as syn. with the God-Man. Jesus was the only such one ever, in distinction with the Holy Spirit, the third Person of the Triune God.
He is never called téknon Theoú (téknon <G5043>, child; Theoú <G2316>, of God) as the believers are (John 1:12; 11:52; 1 John 3:1, 2, 10; 5:2). In John 5:18, Jesus called God His very own (Ã*dion <G2398>) Father. To Jesus, God was not a Father as He is to us. See John 20:17. He never spoke of God as the common Father of Him and believers. The term monogenés also occurs in Heb. 11:17.
—Complete Word Study Dictionary, The


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epistemaniac

you also say that a A Son of God is somebody who has reached "full age." but the Bible says that we become sons and daughters by adoption..... the Bible does say the following about adoption:


G5206 ui`oqesi,a huiothesia {hwee-oth-es-ee'-ah}
¤ from a presumed compound of 5207 and a derivative of 5087; TDNT - 8:397,1206; n f
¤ AV - adoption 3, adoption of children 1, adoption of sons 1; 5
¤ 1) adoption, adoption as sons 1a) that relationship which God was pleased to establish between himself and the Israelites in preference to all other nations 1b) the nature and condition of the true disciples in Christ, who by receiving the Spirit of God into their souls become sons of God 1c) the blessed state looked for in the future life after the visible return of Christ from heaven" (Thayers)


The Israelites had a special relationsdhip to God as His covenant people, they has an adoption different from we Gentiles have:
Romans 9:4-5 (ESV) 4 They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises. 5 To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen."

But we members of the new covenant, we become sons and daughters, no tn\by reaching some certain age, but rahter, whenever through God's predestinating love, He decides to adopt us....

Galatians 4:4-7 (ESV)
4 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. 6 And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!" 7 So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God."

Ephesians 1:3-5 (ESV)
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5 he predestined us for adoption through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,"

Part of the "already but not yet" tension in the Bible is that while we are, on the one hand already sons and daughters of the King by virture of Christ has done and not by virtue of who we are or what we have done, we will one day come into our fullness as adopted sons and daughters when we are glorified in heaven....
Romans 8:22-25 (ESV) 22 For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now.
23 And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. 24 For in this hope we were saved. Now hope that is seen is not hope. For who hopes for what he sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait for it with patience."

So in reality, the idea of becoming a "son (or daughter) of God is not really so much a matter of someone "coming of age", it is rather a bestowal, an honor, a privlidge bestowed upon them that has more to do with the Greek and Roman sense of a transference of honor and privlidge.... indeed of inheritance that is given to them. ISBE says:

"This term (adption) appears first in New Testament, and only in the epistles of Paul (Gal_4:5; Rom_8:15, Rom_8:23; Rom_9:4; Eph_1:5) who may have coined it out of a familiar Greek phrase of identical meaning. It indicated generally the legal process by which a man might bring into his family, and endow with the status and privileges of a son, one who was not by nature his son or of his kindred.
I. The General Legal Idea
The custom prevailed among Greeks, Romans and other ancient peoples, but it does not appear in Jewish law....

2. Greek
In Greece a man might during his lifetime, or by will, to take effect after his death, adopt any male citizen into the privileges of his son, but with the invariable condition that the adopted son accepted the legal obligations and religious duties of a real son.
3. Roman
In Rome the unique nature of paternal authority (patria potestas), by which a son was held in his father's power, almost as a slave was owned by his master, gave a peculiar character to the process of adoption. For the adoption of a person free from paternal authority (sui juris), the process and effect were practically the same in Rome as in Greece (adrogatio). In a more specific sense, adoption proper (adoptio) was the process by which a person was transferred from his natural father's power into that of his adoptive father, and it consisted in a fictitious sale of the son, and his surrender by the natural to the adoptive father.
II. Paul's Doctrine
As a Roman citizen the apostle would naturally know of the Roman custom, but in the cosmopolitan city of Tarsus, and again on his travels, he would become equally familiar with the corresponding customs of other nations. He employed the idea metaphorically much in the manner of Christ's parables, and, as in their case, there is danger of pressing the analogy too far in its details. It is not clear that he had any specific form of adoption in mind when illustrating his teaching by the general idea. Under this figure he teaches that God, by the manifestation of His grace in Christ, brings men into the relation of sons to Himself, and communicates to them the experience of sonship.
1. In Galatians as Liberty
In Galatians, Paul emphasizes especially the liberty enjoyed by those who live by faith, in contrast to the bondage under which men are held, who guide their lives by legal ceremonies and ordinances, as the Galatians were prone to do (Gal_5:1). The contrast between law and faith is first set forth on the field of history, as a contrast between both the pre-Christian and the Christian economies (Gal_3:23, Gal_3:24), although in another passage he carries the idea of adoption back into the covenant relation of God with Israel (Rom_9:4). But here the historical antithesis is reproduced in the contrast between men who now choose to live under law and those who live by faith. Three figures seem to commingle in the description of man's condition under legal bondage - that of a slave, that of a minor under guardians appointed by his father's will, and that of a Roman son under the patria potestas (Gal_4:1-3). The process of liberation is first of all one of redemption or buying out (Greek exagorásēi) (Gal_4:5). This term in itself applies equally well to the slave who is redeemed from bondage, and the Roman son whose adoptive father buys him out of the authority of his natural father. But in the latter case the condition of the son is not materially altered by the process: he only exchanges one paternal authority for another. If Paul for a moment thought of the process in terms of ordinary Roman adoption, the resulting condition of the son he conceives in terms of the more free and gracious Greek or Jewish family life. Or he may have thought of the rarer case of adoption from conditions of slavery into the status of sonship. The redemption is only a precondition of adoption, which follows upon faith, and is accompanied by the sending of “the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, Abba, Father,” and then all bondage is done away (Gal_4:5-7).
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epistemaniac

2. In Romans as Deliverance from Debt
In Rom_8:12-17 the idea of obligation or debt is coupled with that of liberty. Man is thought of as at one time under the authority and power of the flesh (Rom_8:5), but when the Spirit of Christ comes to dwell in him, he is no longer a debtor to the flesh but to the Spirit (Rom_8:12, Rom_8:13), and debt or obligation to the Spirit is itself liberty. As in Galatians, man thus passes from a state of bondage into a state of sonship which is also a state of liberty. “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these (and these only) are sons of God” (Rom_8:14). The spirit of adoption or sonship stands in diametrical opposition to the spirit of bondage (Rom_8:15). And the Spirit to which we are debtors and by which we are led, at once awakens and confirms the experience of sonship within us (Rom_8:16). In both places, Paul conveys under this figure, the idea of man as passing from a state of alienation from God and of bondage under law and sin, into that relation with God of mutual confidence and love, of unity of thought and will, which should characterize the ideal family, and in which all restraint, compulsion and fear have passed away.
III. The Christian Experience
As a fact of Christian experience, the adoption is the recognition and affirmation by man of his sonship toward God. It follows upon faith in Christ, by which man becomes so united with Christ that his filial spirit enters into him, and takes possession of his consciousness, so that he knows and greets God as Christ does (compare Mar_14:36).
1. In Relation to Justification
It is an aspect of the same experience that Paul describes elsewhere, under another legal metaphor, as justification by faith. According to the latter, God declares the sinner righteous and treats him as such, admits into to the experience of forgiveness, reconciliation and peace (Rom_5:1). In all this the relation of father and son is undoubtedly involved, but in adoption it is emphatically expressed. It is not only that the prodigal son is welcomed home, glad to confess that he is not worthy to be called a son, and willing to be made as one of the hired servants, but he is embraced and restored to be a son as before. The point of each metaphor is, that justification is the act of a merciful Judge setting the prisoner free, but adoption is the act of a generous father, taking a son to his bosom and endowing him with liberty, favor and a heritage.
2. In Relation to Sanctification
Besides, justification is the beginning of a process which needs for its completion a progressive course of sanctification by the aid of the Holy Spirit, but adoption is coextensive with sanctification. The sons of God are those led by the Spirit of God (Rom_8:14); and the same spirit of God gives the experience of sonship. Sanctification describes the process of general cleansing and growth as an abstract process, but adoption includes it as a concrete relation to God, as loyalty, obedience, and fellowship with an ever-loving Father.
3. In Relation to Regeneration
Some have identified adoption with regeneration, and therefore many Fathers and Roman Catholic theologians have identified it with baptismal regeneration, thereby excluding the essential fact of conscious sonship. The new birth and adoption are certainly aspects of the same totality of experience, but they belong to different systems of thought, and to identify them is to invite confusion. The new birth defines especially the origin and moral quality of the Christian experience as an abstract fact, but adoption expresses a concrete relation of man to God. Nor does Paul here raise the question of man's natural and original condition. It is pressing the analogy too far to infer from this doctrine of adoption that man is by nature not God's son. It would contradict Paul's teaching elsewhere (e.g. Act_17:28), and he should not be convicted of inconsistency on the application of a metaphor. He conceives man outside Christ as morally an alien and a stranger from God, and the change wrought by faith in Christ makes him morally a son and conscious of his sonship; but naturally he is always a potential son because God is always a real father.
IV. As God's Act
Adoption as God's act is an eternal process of His gracious love, for He “fore-ordained us unto adoption as sons through Jesus Christ unto himself, according to the good pleasure of his will” (Eph_1:5).
1. Divine Fatherhood
The motive and impulse of Fatherhood which result in adoption were eternally real and active in God. In some sense He had bestowed the adoption upon Israel (Rom_9:4). “Israel is my son, my first-born” (Exo_4:22; compare Deu_14:1; Deu_32:6; Jer_31:9; Hos_11:1). God could not reveal Himself at all without revealing something of His Fatherhood, but the whole revelation was as yet partial and prophetic. When “God sent forth his Son” to redeem them that were under the law,” it became possible for men to receive the adoption; for to those who are willing to receive it, He sent the Spirit of the eternal Son to testify in their hearts that they are sons of God, and to give them confidence and utterance to enable them to call God their Father (Gal_4:5, Gal_4:6; Rom_8:15).
2. Its Cosmic Range
But this experience also is incomplete, and looks forward to a fuller adoption in the response, not only of man's spirit, but of the whole creation, including man's body, to the Fatherhood of God (Rom_8:23). Every filial spirit now groans, because it finds itself imprisoned in a body subjected to vanity, but it awaits a redemption of the body, perhaps in the resurrection, or in some final consummation, when the whole material creation shall be transformed into a fitting environment for the sons of God, the creation itself delivered from the bondage of corruption into the liberty of the glory of the children of God (Rom_8:21). Then will adoption be complete, when man's whole personality shall be in harmony with the spirit of sonship, and the whole universe favorable to its perseverance in a state of blessedness. "Lightfoot, Galatians; Sanday, Romans; Lidgett, Fatherhood of God; Ritschl, Justification and Reconciliation."


Anyway, LoveRevival, please do not think I am saying any of this as if I have something against you personally.. I most certainly do not.... you seem to have an awesome public ministry in helping the poor and I commend you for that. I perssonally have just had past experiences (and you said you were interested in people's experiences) with self styled "prophets" in the past.... who ended up being false prophets and so my antenna are particularly attuned to the fact that the many false prophets will arise... again, not that you are. and while there are many things that you write that I can say a hearty amen! to.... if there are others things that seem to be something I personally do not agree with.... well.... its a public forum, and just as you have every right to write out the things you feel on this forum.... I too have that same right.... I do not seek to condemn, but to encourage, you as you do.... we both have our places n the body of Christ and one cannot say tot he toher, "I don't need you".....

blessings,
Ken