Joyful

It is very much men's world even in the Christian world. Often times we women are made to feel inferior as Jesus' servants.

I know that the Bible says women should not teach men. I really don't understand what exactly Appostle Paul is saying. But I interprete that women has every right to defend our faith as much as men as a whole. Most of us women don't have spiritual leaders. We are our own to discern to learn and follow Jesus' teachings to follow Him.

I beg all men to treat us equal with you as Jesus' servants. It is so ungodly of you to treat us we are not so important as men.

Thank you

Pastor Gary

The scripture that you are quoting is a very poor translation (KJV) and taking the wording back to the Original 'Street' Greek language sheds some light on the statement by Paul.

'1 Corinthians 14:33-35 (NKJV) states, "...As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church."

At first glance, this seems to be a blanket command that women are not allowed to speak at all in the church. However, 1 Corinthians 11:5 mentions women praying and prophesying in the church - and does not condemn it. Therefore, 1 Corinthians 14:33-35 must not be an absolutely command for women to always be silent in church.

The context of 1 Corinthians 14:33-35 is talking about maintaining order during worship services and interpreting and understanding the gifts of tongues and prophecy (1 Corinthians 14:26-32). Therefore, 1 Corinthians 14:34 is not commanding women to be absolutely silent in the church all the time. It is only saying that women should not participate when tongues and/or prophecy is being interpreted and tested (1 Thessalonians 5:19-22; 1 John 4:1). This is in agreement with 1 Timothy 2:11-12 which says that women should not teach or have authority over men. If women were involved in deciding whether a prophecy was truly from God, they would be disobeying what the Bible says in 1 Timothy 2:11-12. Therefore, Paul tells women to be silent when tongues and prophecy are being interpreted so that they will not be disobeying God’s Word.'

Some of the most well respected prophets in both the Old and New Testaments were women. Also, we must take note of the social order that was in place, not only during the time periods in which both the Old and New Testaments were penned, but in the era of the King James translantion in the early 1600's. Wives were invited to participate in services by their husbands. Equality was not a virtue in those days, so the husbands were responsible for the wives behavior in public; including services. Women who accompanied their husbands to the services were instructed to be silent, or not to 'chatter', so as not to interrupt the teachings and so they could hear and understand what was being taught. If they had questions, those were to be addressed after the service was completed.

Many denominations have used the improperly translated text of Corrinthians 14 to demean women and to make them outcasts within those denominations. This is due primarilly to the 'good old boy' mentality of some denominational 'church' elders and the deliberate proliferation of a false teaching as the result of a faulty translation.

There are countless women Pastors who are admired for their teachings, dedication and leadership. Anyone who still thinks that women have no place in the 'church', as teachers, deacons or Pastors, is hanging on to a dinosaur concept and may be judged harshly by Our Father for doing so.

Liberty

When I think about the fact that there weren't any public address systems in those days, I understand this even better. Imagine trying to hear someone across the room without a mike, while women (or any people) were chattering. We are so priveleged these days!

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Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Galatians 5:1

Thank you Jesus!

Joyful

I aso would like to add that when the couples have marital or family problems the wives are given the advice to follow husband wether it is biblical or not. This is also unbiblical. All God's people have obligation to God before anyone else. There are many families in trouble spiritually. Christians should not give this kind of ill advices to anyone.

I have church attending spouse, I separated our kids and myself from him because he refuses to live by the Bible. The pastors and many churchgoers condemed me for my dicision. But I would like to tell you how God has blessed me for my dicision. My three out of four kids are now devoted Christians. If I listened to those churchgoers and pastors I will be still living in miserable, unhappy, unhealty family environment.

Praise the Lord for His teachings.

Theophilus

First, If this was actualy what scripture said (Which it is not!!!) then by that fact alone it would be biblical.

This is what is given in scripture. The statement above it counterdicts that . If one assumes that the first is true then the bible (God's word) counterdicts itself. Which it does not.

Your error is in taking sections of scriprure from context and applying their precepts into differant context and situations.

Joyful

I disagree with your interpretation and application wholeheartedly.

I willl not sacrifice my children's spiritual well being because of my husband's selfishness. I have responsibility to my children too. My kids are committed christians and my husband is disobedient churchgoer. Why should I sacrifice the kids for him. You are forgetting about our responsibility for the Kids.

I believe this kind of practice is accepted because the father is bread winner and he is also monetary contributer for the church. The church want to accomodate the contributer for their church. My husband was a big contributer for his church. He was even chairman of the board but he has double standard.

good day

Theophilus

If admiration were justification for anything then we would have no use for the word of God. However it is not. So that requires us to depend on God's word as the basis for our actions and positions within the church.
"The dinasour concept" is solidly based in scripture.



1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
1Co 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1Co 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

1Ti 3:1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
1Ti 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
1Ti 3:4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
1Ti 3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

1Co 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
1Co 11:8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
1Co 11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
1Co 11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.
1Co 11:11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.
1Co 11:12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.

1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.


Does anyone have any idea as to why God would structure marriage and church this way???

To reduce sin, confussion, temptation and the appearance of inproprioty in the church and protect marriage family and church.

Those who deviate without necessity or justification from these precepts put their marriage family and church at risk.

Theophilus

Each must follow under the direction of the Holy Spirit as they deem necessary.I am responding to your post not speaking to your particular situation. I don't know you or your situation and don't presume to make any judgment of it or you. What I do know is error in interpritation and application of scripture. There is scripture to justify your actions if they are justified ,but your misquoting and removing from context scripture isn't the way to do it. Not that you need justify anything to anyone but God any way
May you have a blessed day
Cliff

Joyful

We should interpret and apply it in overall context. Jesus hates legalism. We have to be wholehearted servants to believe confidently and apply the Bible in our daily lives.

Joyful

I interprete the Bible to apply in my daily life. That's what the Bible is supposed to be. The Bible is practical in daily lives. If we cannot apply in our daily lives, something is awfully wrong in our faith and Christianity.