MWM

Hey, my dad and I went to New York the other day and while we were split up for a while, he came back and told me he saw the New York Atheist Group talking to people, and trying to get them to sign petitions.

They sounded pretty funny. He told me they were selling bumper stickers that said stuff like "There is a cure for Faith". LOL. Yeah, because atheists don't use faith, right? I suppose they KNOW there is no God, right?

There were also many people who were arguing with them, so its nice to see that Christianity is not dead.

I just wanted to share with you guys, thought maybe it would be interesting

Oh, and just to let you know, my father is a Believer. Although, he is not saved. Both of my parents are Roman Catholic. But don't worry, I am working on witnessing to them

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Atheists still amaze me. Not that they're great, but just...they amaze me. That's all. I'm sure I amaze them as well.

So, we're even.

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Ginger

I don't believe in atheists.

To be atheist means you don't believe in the existance of God. No one in their right mind would spend so much time, energy and money fighting to eliminate something that doesn't exist.

Think about it.....

I'll wager you can't find a sane adult who believes in the Easter Bunny. That's why no one is suing in courts to ban all pictures and signs of Bunnies from the public square. Nor can you find even one preson demanding school concerts ban the singing of "Here Comes Peter Cottontail"

I'll further wager you can't find a single sane individual over the age of 12 who believes in the Tooth Fairy. Yet, no one is complaing about the damaging effects of movies like "Toothless" starring Kristie Alley.

It's obvious these so-called atheists have a deep seeded belief in a real God. They are fighting Him vigorously.

Ginger

MWM

Well put!

You are absolutely correct in saying that. Many atheists do not want to be held accountable for their actions, or have Anyone ruling over them.

They are fighting Something indeed, and they know it. They know He is there, and they will do everything they can to make it so God's name is erased, and every thought of Him is eradicated off this planet. That way, they can go along with a sound conscience, thinking that know One will judge them.

Well...He's there, He's watching, and He's coming, and every individual in the world is going to be judged on that great and terrible day.

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Most people who call themselves atheist consider themselves weak atheists. They are people who do not believe in a god but are open to the concept of one if someone can make a reasonable case for one. There are other kinds of atheists but those are the majority at least in the ones I know.

I disagree. Most of them are actually after people thinking in logical and reasonable terms that are based off ideas that don't come from unalterable text of rules. Because of this line of thinking, organization religion, and dogma in general, become a problem. Most aren't against spirituality in anyway, they don't care if people believe in a god, what they don't like is the idea of dogmatic rules that cannot be altered even in times of great need and change.

And thats actually the big difference in the situation. There are people who believe deeply in God and often will base their decisions off the alleged word of God. If someone else doesn't believe that the God exists they feel that your decisions are irrational and not actually helping improve society. A large number of atheists put rational evidence based argument before anything else.


Quite a few atheists don't believe in absolute truth. The quote Below is an example I took from a video called "Foundational Falsehood of Creationism" that I feel explains this point of view quite clearly.

This New York Atheist group sounds pretty funny though. The only major atheist group I've ever dealt with was the Atheist Community of Austin, Texas.

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Ginger

The main purpose of my post was to be mildly funny.... however, it is funny only because there was so much truth in it.

Which brings us to your comment about some not believing in absolute truth. Here is an excerpt form a real converstaion I had with "Jane":

....That would seem to imply there is only one truth.


That begs the following question: What is truth?


Throughout recorded history philosophers, scientists, religious persons, teachers, great thinkers and ordinary people have pondered that very questions:


What is truth?
Who determines truth?
How do we know truth when we see it?

Jane


Which is true:
2+2=4
OR

2+2 can have many different sums. It all depends on how I feel about it at the time.

I believe in absolute truth. It is always, absolutely wrong for a forty year old man to molest, torture and murder a 3 year old child. It is always wrong even when the pedophile thinks it is OK - even if the peadophile was molested as a child, it is still absolutely wrong.

It is an absolute truth that you and I will die someday. Our physcal bodies will rot away and we will become dust once more. Doesn't matter whether I believe that or not -it will happen.

To answer your questions:

God determines truth. All our laws are modelled after the Ten Commandments: thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not murder, thou shalt not bear false witness. Of course that is changing in recent times, but the Bible also says that will happen.

The word of God is my guide to "know truth when I see it" He has also given me a conscience that works well.

What is it you believe? Are there absolute truth or not?

Ginger


Ginger,


Before I could answer your question we would first have to discuss the meaning of truth so that we have something to go on.


For instance, what is the meaning of truth? Is moral judgement based on truth? And what is the definition of common decency, is that based on truth?

And that, dear Ginger, takes more than a couple of emails back and forth.


Have you studied anything about Quantum Physics?


Jane

I don't need to study quantum physics to know that 2+2 is always 4


Ginger,

I sense that you love to share your opinion with others. You find it stimulating. But I feel that you and I have ways of communicating that don’t match. I find it difficult to getting my point across.
As the saying goes, the meaning of one’s message is the response one gets.


Therefore, continue finding people with whom you have a lot of fun carrying on discussions.
But I believe that you and I are are at a dead end.


Hope you have a great day.


Jane


Do you see how stupid this conversation was? People who don't believe in absolute truth think they are being clever when they challenge others. But they sound totally idiotic.

NearertoGod

I liked this post by you, Ginger.

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Haha. Whenever people bring up quantum physics I always thing of the saying, "If you say you understand quantum physics, you don't understand quantum physics." I would say that most atheists do believe in mathematical proofs.

Most of them still believe there is a truth. But the majority of them don't believe that we can understand what that truth is within our lifetime. They think it is best to live in a way that is rational to observed facts that we have.

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Back when I was younger and dumber, I would have discussions (read argue) with athiests, usually to no avail, but one once said something quite telling, he said "no-one is going to tell me what to do!". At that point I realized the crux of the problem, it had nothing to do with whether he intellectually believed in the existance of God or not, it had everything to do with his arrogance and refusal to bow to greater authority.

Whirlwind

If they were really atheists, they wouldn't be trying to get a petition signed against something that they don't believe in at all.

I think I'll get a petition signed urging people to stop believing in atheists!

Bwah-ha-ha-ha!!!

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