u ne la nv i u we tsi

Darwin himself proposed a speculation on how the eye could have evolved. And a quote from that explanation, taken out of context, has been used to promote the idea that the eye is impossible to evolve.

There actually a quite simple step by step explanation for the evolution of the eye starting with a flat piece of light sensitive skins. The creature benefits from the light sensitive skin being in a depression because it allows the direction of lights to become clearer (this is still used by some flatworms to this day). Clear liquid within the depression allows for more focused eye sight as well, and as part of this liquid becomes denser it continues to increase the focusing (eventually becoming the lens). All the while, this eye is functional. The cornea can form in stages as well, each step helping protect the eyes from small particles and bending light a little more (so the image will be more focused). The iris can form in slow steps as well, since any amount of expanding muscle would help for better light control so it gets better images in a wider variety of environments.

I'm not too knowledgeable in the subject so sorry if I'm not explaining it well. But it is possible.

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CSchultz

Would you agree with me if I stated that there is a mathematical point at which something can be so improbable that we can reasonably call it impossible?

u ne la nv i u we tsi

Of coarse.

CSchultz

Thank you. It helps me to have a discussion like this if I know your answer to that question.
I agree.
I have talked with many people who would not agree and that makes this debate all but impossible.

Statistically, (You may have heard this) a tornado could rip through a junk yard and assemble a fully functional 747 Jet.

Statistically, It is possible, but I would argue that the odds are so unlikely that we can call it impossible.

I have had people disagree with me on that one.

CSchultz

u ne la nv i u we tsi; So... If I understand you correctly,
You believe that life as we know it did evolve from primordial forms, to what we see today, over a very long period of time, (Millions of years) and that this was Gods plan / intention all along.

Would that be an accurate statement?

u ne la nv i u we tsi

Yes. Basically I am not a Genesis literalist. Common people at the time the scriptures were put down would never be able to understand the amazing abilities that were used in order to crafted the world. God, knowing this, created the story of the creation in Genesis as an allegory for the truths that exist about the creation and the world in a way that everyone would be able to understand. God is a brilliant writer and by doing it this way he gave the story an eternal meaning.

Evolution is pretty deterministic. Even human minds can often make reasonable predictions of how life will be forged to the new environments over time. If we can do this, it is obvious that God could have easily created the system for life to be forged into the diversity that is here today and of coarse into us. All which was planned from the beginning by sets of universal rules that he created. His beautiful rules that create a system of constantly redesigning and ever beautiful landscapes. As well the amazingly fluid system of life that causes changes corresponding to the world around it becoming ever more beautiful and diverse. When humans, a determined result that was placed into the rules that God had created, finally arrived the world was already so beautiful, diverse and complex. This system is far more ingenious than anything that any man could have dreamed up or fully understand. This system not only makes it so our actions not only effect what happens to our eternal selves after we die, but also causes our actions to affect the world's developments. Because of the decisions of humans as a whole over long periods of time we help shift the changes in the world which can result in the world become a more beautiful and diverse place in the future... or a uglier place.

This by no means makes us gods of coarse. Though I suspect that there are many minds that would love to jump to that conclusion upon hearing this. Our ability to affect the world around us is only possible because of the free will that God has given to us and the brilliant rules that he had created. Hopefully, more people will accept God into their lives so not only will they all arrive in Heaven but also be able make this world more beautiful for our future generations.

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Tyler1

Where you are headed with this is the best evidence against sponateous generation of life we have to use.

The human eye and other structures aren't quite as good. One thing we have to remeber is that a structure doesn't need to have a function. It can be carried along with the organisms-gene pool until natural selection chooses for or against it.

Are you familiar with the cd4 / cd4+ protein and the HIV virus?

CSchultz

Not really.

Arent those the "T" cells that our body uses to fight off viruses like HIV?

Tyler1

Humans have either cd4 or cd4+ proteins in the t-cell membranes, one lets in hiv and one doesen't. If hiv ever gets airborne the human population will change to only the people with the DNA making the the cd4 that keeps the virus out of the t-cell. The population has evolved when this occurs, if a gene causing blue hair was carrid with the gene making the good cd4 we'd all have blue hair. Isn't that evolution?

CSchultz

No, that is just change within a speces.

I can just as easily determine the color of a calf, but it is still a cow.
When I say evolution, I mean a speces changing into something else.
Or a leg turning into a wing.