Revelation Just Now - Thoughts Please

Mark_18 · 07-08-2008, 10:27 AM

After prayer and belief in God to move - here are some thoughts that have come to me regarding the importance of the Holy Spirit and yielding to Him.

Perhaps we'll be amazed at the simplicity that is in Christ. Perhaps it's as easy as 1, 2, 3.

God's perfect will moves always, and by Holy Spirit guidance we align with it.

The Holy Spirit joins forces with our spirit and -

1) By yielding our mind, in faith - Thoughts of an individual by Holy Spirit guidance move in harmony with God's will for the individual - transforming an individual to be like Christ as one spirit with Him.

2) By yielding ourselves as individuals, in faith - Individuals of the church by Holy Spirit guidance move in harmony with God's will for the church - transforming the church to be like Christ as one spirit with Him.

3) By yielding our church, in faith - The church by Holy Spirit guidance moves in harmony with God's will for the body of Christ - transforming the body to be like Christ as one spirit with Him.

The individual is a spirit, the church is a bigger spirit, then the body of Christ a bigger spirit, and is Christ as He is physically on the earth - in His yielded vessels.

Divinely and perfectly this is done by God when we yield in the ways the word says to by Holy Spirit revelation. Let us take the word, Holy Spirit revelation, and faith to higher levels and bigger scales.

1) Revelation by thoughts for an individual. Checking for alignment with the word - That the thoughts are in Christ. To be Christlike and glorify the Lord on this scale. Taking heaven by force on this scale.

2) Revelation by individuals for a church. Checking for alignment with the word - That the individuals are in Christ. To be Christlike and glorify the Lord on this scale. Taking heaven by force on this scale.

3) Revelation by the churches for the body of Christ. Checking for alignment with the word - That the churches are in Christ. To be Christlike and glorify the Lord on this scale. Taking heaven by force on this scale.

1) The individual may not want to do God's will because of His many unGodly thoughts - including not wanting to connect spiritually with other individuals. The more yielded to the Holy Spirit that one's thoughts are, the more the individual is aligned with God's will and will prosper and bring forth the kingdom on this scale.

Just the same -

2) The church may not want to do God's will because of it's many unGodly individuals - including not wanting to connect spiritually with other churches. The more yielded to the Holy Spirit that a church's individuals are, the more the church is aligned with God's will and will prosper and bring forth the kingdom on this scale.

Just the same -

3) The body of Christ may not want to do God's will because of it's many unGodly churches - including not wanting to connect spiritually with Christ Himself. The more yielded to the Holy Spirit that the churches are, the more the body of Christ is aligned with God's will and will prosper and bring forth the kingdom on this scale.

1) When an individual is more inline with God's will, his thoughts are - willingly and joyfully in Christ, much more powerful, and this being the majority.

Perhaps -

2) When a Church is more inline with God's will, it's individuals are - willingly and joyfully in Christ, much more powerful, and this being the majority.

And perhaps -

3) When the body of Christ is more inline with God's will, His churches are - willingly and joyfully in Christ, much more powerful, and this being the majority.

1) If an individual inline with God's will is able to do works by the word such as cast out demons - on this scale.

2) Perhaps a church inline with God's will is able to do works by the word such as cast out demons - on this scale.

3) And perhaps the body of Christ inline with God's will is able to do works by the word such as cast out demons - on this scale.

1) If an individual quite inline with God's will is able to set an attractive Christlike example for other individuals, bringing them to change for the Lord's glory.

2) Perhaps a church quite inline with God's will is able to set an attractive Christlike example for other churches, bringing them to change for the Lord's glory.

3) And perhaps the body of Christ quite inline with God's will is able to set an attractive Christlike example for the world, bringing them to change for the Lord's glory.

1) If an individual quite inline with God's will is able to avoid enemy attacks and remain standing through troubles that an individual faces.

2) Perhaps a church quite inline with God's will is able to avoid enemy attacks and remain standing through troubles that a church faces.

3) And perhaps the body of Christ quite inline with God's will is able to avoid enemy attacks and remain standing through troubles that Christianity faces.

Satan is getting bigger and bigger - rising up in the world (Especially government). Christ must get bigger and bigger - rising up in His church. (Especially church leaders)

This is our call. We are the body.

Our focus must be on Jesus in us as individuals, a church, and the body of Christ. But, just as an individual's focus on Christ relies on his thoughts being yielded to the Holy Spirit - A churches focus on Christ relies on it's individuals being yielded to the Holy Spirit.

Furthermore the focus of the body of Christ on Jesus relies on the churches being yielded to the Holy Spirit. - The body needs revival.

Faithwoman · 07-08-2008, 10:31 AM

Wow Mark.. now that was alot of thinking..

Some very good thoughts

Thanks for sharing!

Faithwoman

Mark_18 · 07-08-2008, 11:39 AM

Thanks, it's been updated since you seen it BTW.

I ask now for scriptural support to include please. Including perhaps something about the church being one spirit?

Please give scripture that comes to mind while you read it, if any does.

Dusty · 07-08-2008, 01:22 PM

Praise God my son .. I have to copy that out and meditate on it for a while.

Dusty · 07-08-2008, 01:26 PM

Ok , I also asked in another thread what is the difference between revelation that is Holy Spirit given and thoughts given by the Holy Spirit or are they one and the same with just different words. I always say Holy Spirit has given me a thought and some say revelation. Is a revelation clearer ? No one answered me so just asking again.

Boanerges · 07-08-2008, 06:03 PM

Very nice indeed Mark!

RichardS · 07-08-2008, 09:21 PM

Wow, Awesome thoughts there.
*Select, Right-click, Save-as*

epistemaniac · 07-08-2008, 11:01 PM

"revelation" is either special or general.... general revelation is God's witness of Himself in nature, and is thus open to and observable to all..... eg
Rom 1:18-20 ESV For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse."

.... but special revelation, "In its narrower sense it is confined to the communication of knowledge in a supernatural as distinguished from a natural mode; or, passively, to the knowledge of God which has been supernaturally made known to men." (BB Warfield, The Idea and Theories of Revelation) or "Special revelation involves a narrower focus than general revelation and is restricted to Jesus Christ and the Scriptures. Of course, all that is known of Christ is through the Scriptures; therefore, it can be said that special revelation is restricted to the Scriptures." Enns, Paul P.: The Moody Handbook of Theology. Chicago, Ill. : Moody Press, 1997, c1989, S. 158)

eg Heb 1:1-2 ESV Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, through whom also he created the world."

and most importantly

2Pe 1:19-21 ESV And we have something more sure, the prophetic word, to which you will do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts, (20) knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation. (21) For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit."

as far as personal individual subjective revelations go, the problem is asking how we can know that a person's subjective experience where they think God has spoken to them is in fact the Triune God and not either their own subjective imagination or a demon? Jim Jones was quite convinced that God told him to poison and kill hundreds of people, Heavens Gate was quite convinced God told them to hitch a ride on a comet by committing suicide, and on and on such stories could go. The only way we have to check an individual person's claim to have been given a special revelation from God, as to whether or not this revelation is true, is to compare it to Scripture.

But that brings up the following conundrum: if what a person says (ie their recounting of their personal "revelation") is consistent with Scripture in that we can point to specific Scriptures or general Scriptural teaching and say that yes, this teaching is true because it lines up with Scripture, then why did we ever need this person's "special revelations" to inform us of this teaching in the first place, since we already have the teaching present in the Scriptures? If what they say God revealed to them is already present in the Scriptures, there is obviously no need for that person to have had such a special revelation from God. Or, finally and conversely, if their personal revelation is not consistent with the Scripture, then of course we can reject it as untrue.

But the point is that we have to have a standard by which to measure anyone's teaching regardless of how the person conceived of their ideas in the first place, or in the second place, how they convey these teachings to us. We all have a responsibility to subject and scrutinized everything everyone says, including what I am currently saying, to the Scriptures themselves. And whether or not, as to the individual themselves generically speaking is concerned, their ideas came to them in their personal study as they prepared a sermon on a biblical passage, or the idea just seemed to hit them out of nowhere, or they feel that God personally gave them a particular message via a dream or a a mystic encounter of some sort, their ideas have to be consistent with Scripture or rejected.

1Jo 4:1 ESV Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world."

1Th 5:21 ESV but test everything; hold fast what is good.

blessings,
Ken

Boanerges · 07-09-2008, 02:55 AM

Heh Ken- where have you been? I sent you a few pm's and you have been in my prayers!

Mark_18 · 07-09-2008, 06:06 AM

The way I see it, there is only one type of revelation. Revelation is the revealing of the truth - right? So revelations are just either further or closer to the truth, and the bible, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit transforms your mind to move your perspective and ideas closer to the truth. Never there, but closer and closer. If you're not relying on Christ and thinking like the bible truly means for you to, then you can deceive yourself and get further from the truth and your revelations might be quite blind. They're revelations still, moving you closer - but it's a closer/further thing.

But when revelation is given the receiver needs to filter out the truth in His own way, and use it alone. The truth could even be not so much said, but rather the Holy-Spirit inspired thoughts could expose a way of looking at things, that the receiver could apply to their own spiritual understanding and benefit from it. Kind of like figuring out an equation to apply to your own perspective.

When you realize the infinite property of information, you might say the bible is infinitely powerful, and the deeper you get into it the better.

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