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Old 07-06-2008, 03:47 PM   #11
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I was taught that at the moment were are born again God gives us all of the Holy Spirit that anyone will ever have or need, yet Jesus said in Luke 11:13 that "your heavenly Father [will] give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him." Additionally five other passages (Acts 4:8, 4:31 7:55, 11:24 and 13:9) all state that the particular Christian was "full off" or "filled with" the Holy Spirit. Obviously these people were saved, but apparantly not completely filled with the Holy Spirit until a later time.

I believe we get some of the Holy Spirit at conversion then God gives us more and more of His Spirit as we mature in Him. Eventually we will be completely full of, or filled with, the Holy Spirit and then we will become as perfect as a child of God can be on this side of eternity. By "perfect" I don't mean completely sinless, but certainly we will sin less as we are filled with God's Spirit and He removes our desire to sin.

I read a cute story about perfection. A seven-year-old piano player performed a one-handed version of Mary Had A Little Lamb perfectly, and her piano teacher smiled at her and exclaimed "Perfect!" However, as she matures, that same teacher will expect a great deal more from her. If at 27 she was still playing Mary Had A Little Lamb one handed it is doubtful the teacher would be happy.

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Old 07-06-2008, 04:02 PM   #12
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I think the Holy Spirit is like being pregnant. You cannot be half pregnant. the Holy Spirit either dwells in you or it does not.


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I have to say a great big AMEN! to this statement Adstar.

I believe the Holy Spirit dwells in all Christians the same. However, it seems He is MORE in me at times and LESS in me at other times. Why? Because, I let my flesh get in the way of my faith.
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Old 07-06-2008, 07:31 PM   #13
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Praise God Ben. !!! I love the way you summed it up and it is true. And yes we receive the Holy Spirit when we are saved and yes we can receive more through the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and Fire. When we receive the Baptism of the Holy Spirit it is necessary that we get a fresh infilling every day as we pray and seek Him. It just does not end at salvation , praise God , He continues to give and give and give as we are willing recepticles. I don't think within myself that I can ever say that I will be completely full but I can say that my cup is full and running over as I daily go to Him to refill.
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There was a time (not very long ago actually) that I would have argued with you, (like at least one other did above) but now that I have been "baptised in the Holy Spirit" I will never again doubt the experience. A former pastor of mine used to make fun of Christians who claimed they had received the second touch (or baptism of the Holy Spirit, or entire sanctification) and he led me on to do the same. Never again. My life of agreeing with the forces of darkness every time I got the urge to sin is gone forever, PTL I am free indeed!

My mother used to do something very similar every time I mentioned being born again. She said she was not born again, she didn't know any Christians in the church she attended who were born again, her folks were not born again nor were any of her friends born again. I told her that Jesus said "Ye must be born again" in John 3:3 so she asked her pastor, Reverand Smith. He told her that Jesus told Nicodemus only that he had to be born again (and not everyone else) just like he told the rich young ruler that he had to sell all of his worldy goods and give them to the poor in order to gain eternal life, so she simply pooh pooed the entire experience and continued to attend her old line denominational church that has lost about 4 million members in the last ten years. I told her if that is true then about 99% of the Bible is not for us today. Romans were written to the Romans, we are Americans. Ephesians was written to a group of Christians in Ephesus, Corinthians written to Christians in Corinth etc, etc. Of course Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were not written to anyone other than people named Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, so I guess I'm off the hook completely! My name is Ben

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Old 07-06-2008, 08:25 PM   #14
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Funny and very true. Preach it!
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i guess this is when Jesus said i never knew you,meaning we were still sinning so the spirit never comuned.
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i guess this is when Jesus said i never knew you,meaning we were still sinning so the spirit never comuned.
"I never knew you" is considerably different from "I knew you one time but your sinful ways has caused me to negate the promise I made in the holy scriptures." Jesus said in John 6:37 "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." We didn't chose God, God chose us! "John 15:16 "You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit-fruit that will last. Then the Father will give you whatever you ask in my name."

The God I serve forgives sin and empowers us by His Holy Spirit to resist the wiles of the devil.

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Just my opinion and my experience.
When we are born again we do indeed receive the Spirit of God but there is a baptism in the Holy Spirit (Mat 3:11) . Also born again believers were instructed to be filled with the Spirit (Eph 5:18)- if we do not abide in the vine the we become dry and lifeless. If God uses us as a vessel He fills us and pours us out on others and we are continually filled.
God is limitless and we can spend our entire lives just getting to know a fragment of His goodness.
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There was a time (not very long ago actually) that I would have argued with you, (like at least one other did above) but now that I have been "baptised in the Holy Spirit" I will never again doubt the experience. A former pastor of mine used to make fun of Christians who claimed they had received the second touch (or baptism of the Holy Spirit, or entire sanctification) and he led me on to do the same. Never again. My life of agreeing with the forces of darkness every time I got the urge to sin is gone forever, PTL I am free indeed!

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Thanks , Ben,

People can debate all they like with me but you know what ? I know that I know that each time that I am broken before Him is the time when I feel the Holy Spirit more and I have to say that this morning at the alter the presence of the Holy Spirit was so strong and the annointing so powerful that I could not stop speaking in tongues and tried to speak English but English would not come out, so to all those with doubts, well I can say with all honesty that there is more of the Holy Spirit after we are saved. all we have to do is seek and you will find. And to tell you the truth you will never be the same. Ask my dear brother Mark. He will tell you. Amen and amen. Thank you Jesus.
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Mark, the Holy Spirit is not an "it". He is the third person of the Trinity, equally God with the Father and the Son. As God, He is infinite. Infinity cannot be divided - you cannot have a little bit of infinity. The problem is not that we need more of Him, but that we need to give Him more of us.

One day the Church will wake up and realize the awesome fulness of what God has given us.

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O to go deeper into your river of life my God- I have been walking with Christ almost 30 years and yet I still find depths of His love and presence I have yet to plumb.
Some do not believe in the Baptism in the Holy Spirit (no I am not talking about tongues) but such folk (as I once was) have simply not experienced that yet.
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