Kŗ

In the past our great government decided to use foreign oil instead of our own until they ran out of oil and we would have it all so to speak. This would have worked if it had happened within 50 -100 years of first finding the need for oil. While we are hording the oil we have and buying most of what we use from our enemies, they are raking in record profits while buying controlling interests in our nation’s economy. Not only are they buying this nation bit by bit but we are also pushing alternative fuel and energy technology so that we can become less dependant on oil. That's great except for a few reasons.

1. Our original plan has only put us in major debt while making our enemies rich in the process.
2. Our original plan to sell our oil because everyone has run out apparently won't ever happen because they still haven't figured out when the oil rich countries will run out if ever. Our hording has only put us into debt.
3. Our plan depended on everyone else needing the oil and the US being the only country with a supply so that we could price gouge the rest of the world. This won't happen because when we become independent of oil most of the world will have followed suit and done the same.
4. Our national environmentalists complete refusal to allow this country to use our natural resources. Yay! At least some rare mosquito population was saved from extinction.
5. Our government and oil companies get greedy and start hiking up the prices because there isn’t anyone that is able to stop them from doing it. The amount of oil that is being brought into this nation this year matches the same amount per month as in 1981 and yet for some reason it’s almost 3 times the cost at the pump.


Now, I’ve been reading a lot of thing about what’s going on in our nation and around the world. I have come to the understanding that this nation will cease to exist within the next 10-15 years because of this greed.

Our fall from grace started when we decided to ban God from our schools. It got worse when our government banned God from our courtrooms. When homosexuality is taught to our children in elementary school and it’s taught as a normal and natural behavior. We can all see the signs of the times and just as the other great nations and kingdoms in the past have fallen away from God and have been judged So Shall We be judged.

It was good knowing you all. I'll see you on the other side.

u ne la nv i u we tsi

Oops. Well we allowed them to make some bad financial mistakes. But we shouldn't let this hold us back, we should learn from our mistakes and make sure our government doesn't continue to make these problems that will hurt us. For now, we can just look forward and find energy sources that are more effective than oil and coal. I think we can still have a good future.

Excuse me? Banned God from school? You mean we made it so school time nor funds would be directed to religion, including our own. But this is goes far from saying we banned God from schools. Students are still allowed to pray in school and are allowed to read the bible there, there is just no designated time for it.

You like to jump the gun, don't you? A nation's government has some form of corruption and is distancing itself from religion and somehow this is the sign of the complete collapse of the government? I'm sorry but there has been corruption in our government long before the events I believe you are referring to for a separation of our government and God so I don't get your connection. United States of America is still a strong nation and I don't think its gonna collapse so easily.

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Theophilus

Kris,

Enteresting, I guess we could call it a hypothisis. Very close to my own actualy. However I see God's contribution and infuence a little differantly.
I don't believe God has judged this nation as a nation. I don't believe God does that. However He has given every individual free will and the effect of that free will is a falling away from God. That collective falling away is reflected in the nation. There are trillons of cause and effect relationships that make up this collective falling away from God. They are called sin. Mine, yours ,every bodies sin, not just one specicific or a few specific acts such as taking God out of schools. When i speak of sin I speak of sin not only in terms of sin that is rebelion against god, but the sin that is defined as falling short and or missing the mark. That sin that is part and parcel of every ones life including the most devout of Christians. I believe the removal of God from world is reflective of God's being lost from the individual heart ,not the cause of it.

sincerely
His
Cliff

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2Co 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

Jax

The Bible says that Jesus didnt come to judge, yet, that means that although we will reap what we sow, we arent being judged, but that is coming.
What we all need to do is stop bad mouthing and start praying, sacrificially, fasting for our nations fasting for leadership that will hear the voice of God.
We dont raise our voices against those God has allowed to rule our nations,the Bible says He has ordained them, what we do is pray , pray and pray somemore and be good witnesses.

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For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, so that 'WHOSOEVER' believes, shall not perish, but have everlasting life.

Kŗ

Greed. This is all consuming sin if you let it get out of hand. Why do you think gambling is so out of control? Why do you think there are so many people selling the things that are illegal like drugs and human trafficking? It's the love of money that is the root of a lot of evil because that's why they do the things they are doing. Greed is lust in a nonsexual manner. The lust of the heart can be in the form of greed and that when left unchecked will utterly destroy a nation.



They removed the bible from our schools; they use to teach it and the principles therein. Do they teach the bible in our schools today? No. Why? Someone in the 1950's decided to use the argument "Separation of church and state" This term was suppose to protect the religious beliefs of the citizens and instead they "re-interpreted it and said it was meant to keep religion from our government and all of it's institutions which was aimed at the schools first. Ever since that day crime rates have sky rocketed, immoral behavior that was in the past shunned is now flaunted on TV and taught in our school.

Teenage pregnancy? Not in the past if they got pregnant they were already married normally even at a young age. Now 25-30% of the teenage population is pregnant and the schools are pushing abortion options down their throats as if it's their only option.” Planned parenting" my butt, It's called pre-meditated murder with government funding. This organization doesn't want to help the children; they push sex onto our children by telling everyone that it's ok and that everyone is already doing it.


You are correct about the government being corrupt in some way shape or form but when the judges are not held to a higher standard why should they be a judge over anyone else? A judge supports porn sites that have bestiality, homosexuality and other disgusting things cannot possibly be of sound mind. This type of sin corrupts the core of the person and should never be allowed to force his opinions onto the general public, let alone judge others for similar behavior.

They banned the 10 commandments from the courthouses because the truth is an affront to those who willingly disobey what they know to be true and they don't like the light of God shining on their depraved state of being.

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This world is nearing it's end.

Kŗ

Really? What was the 749 years of captivity for the nation of Isreal? A vacation? What was Sodom and Gamora? I guess it was just a heat wave that killed those entire cities.

You are correct, that was a catalyst though. Once we started ignoring god in our schools and stopped teaching moral values to our children we let sin run rampant. What happened about 20 years later? 1950's is when it was done I believe, so what happend in late 1960's and early 1970's? Anyone? Vietnam, you're right. The war wasn't the problem though, Free love and the sexual revolution is what I am speaking about. Where public morals about sexual behavior were thrown out the window and people openly rebelled against their parents and authorities. This is when sexually transmitted diseases started infecting entire populations of people and drugs were fueling this "mind altering" way of life. I can go on for days talking about that.


Falling short is one thing, this nation took an about face and is running full speed in the direction of hell because of the love of sin and the greed and lusts of the flesh. We "the church" are like a voice crying out in the wilderness. The wilderness is the world like John the Baptist. We are announcing the coming of the Lord and identifying Him for all that will listen.

The spirit of the Lord will not always walk among men.

It will be as it was in the days of Noah.

kinder

【1Ti2:8】 I want men everywhere to lift up holy hands in prayer, without anger or disputing.

u ne la nv i u we tsi

It was in the 1960s. It was in the 1950s that the United States changed its nation motto to "In God we trust" and put it on all our dollars, as well as added "under God" into the Pledge of Alliance. I do not feel the removal of the teachings of the bible in schools was the cause of the problem. It was the fact that our school system was unready for the massive growth in population and a huge change in changes in economic and global policies. I would not blame it on the removal of bibles from schools in the slightest, just as I would not blame it on the addition of "In God we Trust" on coins and "under God" in the pledge.


And re-interrupted it? It was not just there to protect our religious beliefs but everyones. It was there to actually allow for a flexible and changing government to allow for sciences to flourish. Many of the founding fathers considered themselves to be reasonable deists. I feel that a lot of the reason the separation was necessary was to make sure that a church could not get enough power to stop advancements in science and technologies.

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Dusty

Cliff .... I agree with you. It definately falls back on man and our sin. We as Christians have failed to stand up and have let a lot of these things happen and now we are crying in our soup. Wake up people.... smell the coffee , prayer is the only key. If we humble ourselves and pray then will we hear from heaven and He will heal our lands.

The owness lies with us.

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Trials prove a Christian

Love confirms a Christian

But death crowns a Christian

smellycat

where there is a lot of money,there you will find greed,like flies on dog poo.we all suffer when governments are corrupt.unfortunately this happens in most countries,the fate of people in human form is run by the flies.but we are spiritual we don,t belong.

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