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Luk 16:24And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am in anguish in this flame.

In this verse, the word translated to “flame” is just that. A flame of fire.
And there will be torment for everyone in the “lake of fire”.

I’m not trying to argue. I don’t think it will just be separation from God, but separation from God and everlasting torment and pain.

But the good news is we don’t have to go there.

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Jeremiah 29:11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the LORD,
thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope.

Christian Commando

I suggest more people read the Parable Christ gives of the "Richman and Lazarus."

You don't hear of any creatures tormenting the richman. Where do we get this "tormentors" being real creatures? Matt. 18:34 only speaks of earthly tormentors, of which the Romans were pros at that.

Christ speaks of the torment the richman brought up, of the pain and suffering from the fire- (cool my lips), but never anything about living creature tormentors in Hell. The "tormentors" are the fire and brimestone. The pain and agony suffered. Unquenched fire burning all the time, the intense heat, etc.

They are the "tormentors", for if we look at fire in this physical world, fire only burns, so long as it has fuel to feed it. But in Hell, fire lives as you and I do, but as a spiritual fire, that never dies, never quits, never stops burning, an eternal fire.

In Hell, it is spirit bodies that are held in bondage there, in order to live with this torment forever. Besides, Abraham told the richman that our spirits cannot leave the places we are sent, not to mention, if could, the "Gulf" is too great to be crossed to get anywhere for our spirits.

And just like our spirits when go to Heaven and we can see, feel, hear, touch and more, everything going on, so too can those in Hell. (Again the richman's exchange with Abraham). The richman could see outside the boundaries of Hell, which is why he asked Abraham to send Lazarus to him, to cool his lips of the "torment".

When in Heaven, spirits can watch and see all that goes on, in this physical world- Rev. 6:9- opening of fifth seal. And they can still experience feelings and emotions as noted there also.

Being "cast into outer darkness", stands for the being bound in Hell by the sins each unsaved committed. Thier level of torment, just like the rewards we will recieve or lose, will also be based on thier works of good or evil during life on earth. I Cor. 6:9, Jude 6.

The "everlasting chains under darkness", refers to Satan and his demons inability to repent, but stay in bondage of darkness, for wanting to disobey God. "Bound by thier sin".

This description given of Hell is no more accurate, than several other ones I'd read, for they do not coincide with descriptions of Hell in God's Word.

The descriptions given, where satan and his demons are not tormented in Hell, but are based there and torment spirits of unsaved people, is a lie. Why?

In one descriptive I read, its supposedly Jesus who comes to get this person and take them on a tour of Heaven and Hell. But, here is where Satan clearly screwed up-

While this - supposed Jesus was next to thespirit of this person in Hell, Satan appears in front of them. But, he is only seen from the back, never from the front. How so? Why?

Because, Satan himself can appear as an Angel of Light. So, if he is masquerading as Jesus, how could he allow any person to see who this impersonating demon of Satan was, if when they turned to look at them, they'd know right away it was not Satan.

God never says anywhere in His Word, where Lucifer lost any of his looks, abilities or intellegence when cast out of God's Domain. Thats why, if look at how beautiful God had created Lucifer- Ezek. 28:13-16, you'd find he was created beautiful beyond compare as a Cherub Angel- (13). So, its easy to understand how he could imitate an "Angel of Light" then.

Thus, too many of those supposed descriptions of Hell are wrong, not of God. Satan would rather have us believe he is smart enough, strong enough and powerful enough to have total control over something. Yet he does not over anything.

God may declare Satan is the god of this world, but Satan is still not in total control. For God declares He is in control of all things. Thus, Satan only has partial control over anything. And that relies upon any of which man lets him have control over.

God Bless!!

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YelowJacket

I think one error people tend to make is that the devil and his demons will be in control. Like the cartoons depict Satan turning up the thermostat, walking around with his forked tail making sure everyone is uncomfortable.

Well as for what I understand, Satan and his followers are NOT in control in Hell. They are inmates with a special place set aside for them in order for them to serve their eternal damnation. They will have absolutely no power or control. They will be dead to God forever suffering a just punishment for their years of tormenting and medling on earth.

Humans, I believe will have varying degrees of torment to fit their crimes.

The biggest torment and what will make hell what it is Is the total separation from God for eternity.

Whirlwind

Is hell even created yet?

Who would know what it's like other than the man who was there and returned?

Is that possible?

I just think that everybody's opinion matters, and we need to be more open to listening to everybody's opinion just as much as we'd like to have ours heard.

These opinions can then assist us in our studies with the bible.

Thank you very much, and please pull forward.

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Boanerges

Which hell. I would say yes to all of them. In the book of Revelations it talks of the lake of fire having been created in the past tense.

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Whirlwind

Thanks, Bo. I get confused sometimes because they talked in church about hell not being there yet until after the final judgment. Which I don't understand.

They also said that the devil is actually held in heaven until that time, and having free-reign during the tribulation. These were just opinions, mind you, voiced in a conversation-type of atmosphere with the reverend at the pulpit.

Some of them are very eye-brow raising.

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CSchultz

Jesus descended into hell. (Gehenna) so it must have been created.

Job 38:17, Psalm 68:18-22; Matthew 12:38-41; Acts 2:22-32; Romans 10:7; Ephesians 4:7-10, 1 Peter 3:18-20 1 Peter 4:6.

However, the Bible does not record when God created it. Was it in the beginning? Was it created when Satans power was broken by Jesus Christ?

Good questions.

Do you know the difference between a Historian and a Pastor?

A Historian asks; "When did it happen?"
And a Pastor asks; "What does it matter?"

In other words, if God created hell during creation, that would remind me that He is all knowing and has foreknowledge of all things.

If He created Hell later, that would remind me that God is Just.

Please don't get me wrong WW, you asked a great question. In fact, one far greater Theologians than I have debated for centuries, but a question none the less, that scripture does not offer clear answers to.

Silverwolf

Why did Jesus go to hell when He had never sinned?

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IHeartLarrytheCucumber

All this talk about hell is so depressing to me (my fault for reading it) I know I'm not going to go to hell, but my grandfather is not saved and he's pretty old. Don't know how much time he has left and it makes me so sad. He's also an alcoholic which does not help. I've been praying.

Once you're in hell, are you there forever? Or does God give the person a choice when they die?

I don't understand how heaven can be a place of everlasting bliss when I will know that my grandfather who I love dearly is not there.

Sorry, I know I turned this thread into a new topic.

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Whirlwind

Doctory (Pastor) Arnold Murray said in his lectures that when we're in heaven, the Father will make it so that we'll have no recollection of that person, as they're placed far from God by their own choice in life. We'll be able to praise God Almighty with joy in our hearts, never thinking about the sufferings of those we loved on earth, it'll be like they never existed to us.

On the flip side, those in great torment below will have constant memories of loved ones.

Pray that your grandfather will be saved! God will help you, IHL. God is so full of mercy that it's hard for Him to understand how we ourselves can't be merciful. He loves us so much, He sent Christ to die for our sins. Share that with Grandpa, share Christ!

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