Kŗ

Some people missunderstand the "trumpet" and they immediately associate it with the last trumpet judgement, which is not the same thing.
If you understand the line of thought concerning the original text you will see that it's not a trumpet but the voice of the Lord Himself. like this:

His vioce will be as a trumpet in comparison, 1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound (the Lord shall call us), and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

PrayerWorrior52

yes, i see what you mean. but it is one thing to descuss it for fellowship. but another thing entirely to argue about who's right and who's wrong about the end times. i dont mind and have had good convo's about it.. but when it turns into a debate.. then i say its not worth the effort. b/c no matter who is right. if your saved. it doesnt matter in the end.. get what im saying.. or did i just confuse you?

Kŗ

Not only that but we need to call out to those around us within our sphere of influence and make sure that we are obeying the Lord and being faithfull witnesses up until that last trump when we are changed in a twinkling of an eye and the church (the saved) is removed from the world.

PrayerWorrior52

i agree completly. all the way untill the trump sounds and we are taken home. we should live our lives as a witness. we should "reflect" Jesus. as in let him be shown through our lives. by dieing to ourselves in order to live for Him...

my point behind my post is this.. recently.. i have gone out seeking those who strongly disagree with my beliefs.. athiests, calvanists, ect. and my exuse was that " it makes me dig deeper into the word and re-afirms my faith in Christ" which it did.. but eventually i get so carried away in the conversation it moves from more of a convo to a full blown arguement. . and i cannot go out trying to spread God's Word by argueing agrily with ppl.. so i had to stop that..

i dont mind friendly debates and convo's.. you just have to be able to not get defensive and simply state what you believe and defend it.. without getting mad...<== wich is a problem im praying about. for myself.

Kŗ

I believe we need to wait and be ready when the opportunities present themselves. God will pave the way if you let Him. Live a godly life and be ready to testify for why you believe.

When you go out looking for people to speak with you will find that about 95% of the people like to live in ignorance and they are happy there. When we try to open the door instead of waiting on the spirit to move within their hearts we are possibly making it harder for the spirit to move in their hearts because we don't know how to speak to that person without the Spirit. I know every time I get eager and start to walk forward without the spirit leading me I stumble and I usually end up making myself look very un-christ like. As apposed to letting the spirit move first and soften their hearts which is similar to opening the door of their heart so that you may have the opportunity to speak to them.

I know I don't speak to many people about my faith IRL because I don't do anything outside of work and home. I have been buying my kids bikes so that we can get out of the house and do something productive outside with the real world. I hope this will open opportunities for fellowship. We will see.

FarsightX3

Matthew 24:36-44 (New International Version)

The Day and Hour Unknown

36"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[a] but only the Father.

37As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.

38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark;

39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.

40Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left.

41Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

42"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come.



43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into.



44So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.



No one knows when he will come back. He will come like a thief in the night. However we know the signs. So does a lot of other non Christians any other people. I just thought of this. What if everyone knew his signs and they were apparent. Jesus came back and took his elect. But people who thought they were good people and didn't believe where left behind. Do you think that would make them lean towards the true words of our Lord? Or do you think it would draw them away even more? When its so simple. Believe in him!

Jax

As much as we would all like to be 'in the know' we wont because of the scripture that Farsight posted,
36"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[a] but only the Father.
It isnt for us to know, it is our business to further the Kingdom, not worry about His return, we have already passed into eternal life, it started the day we believed!

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FarsightX3

I think it would do both. People choose to harden their hearts much more than they soften it.

Boanerges

Thanks you for your opinion Kris.

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Watchman Nee

Atonement

I must disagree, but I want to share Scripture to allow myself to be heard in why I disagree.

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

It's okay to have different opinions, as long as you are centered around Christ and you believe in your heart that He died for you. Look how many Church' there are.. Baptist, Lutheran, Catholic, Presbyterian, Non denominal, etc. Every generation had different opinions about the Word of God. Even in the times of Christ the Scribes had a different opinion. The Jews in general still to this day, look for their savior to appear and they do not accept Christ as Lord. So respectfully I must disagree with you; but I do agree that a debate should not turn to an arguement over who's right and who's wrong. The facts as we have them should be laid on the table and then let the truth (as one may see it) be proven. Then we are

2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.