jeps901

Judaism and Christianity come from the same book (TORAH-BIBLE), yet the beliefs are 180 degrees apart from one another.

How did Christianity grow so estranged from Judaism when the Messiah was a Jewish Rabbi, the Gospel was to go out to the "Jews first", and not to the Gentiles (MAT 10:5-7).

How did the biblically ordained festivals like Yom Kippur, Sabbath and Passover get replaced by unbiblical festivals like Christmas, Easter and Sunrise Service which are all rooted in Pagan tradition and history?

What is the biblical reason Judaism discounts the authenticity of Jesus?

Boanerges

I do not consider Christianity to have strayed from a Jewish Messiah. All the sacrifices, festivals , etc, were types and shadows of Christ. He fulfilled the Old Covenant and laws for us. As far as the holidays with more pagan roots these were of course absorbed into Catholicism.It seemed they found it easier to "convert" people by absorbing their pagan traditions and slightly changing the meanings instead of real change. Yet I do not worry so much about those things as it is not the festival or the day which makes us acceptable in God's eyes but the shed blood of Jesus Christ. I believe that if we examine the heart of the following scriptures we will have the answer to this quandary:

Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
Rom 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
Rom 14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.
Rom 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Rom 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
Rom 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
Rom 14:15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
Rom 14:16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
Rom 14:18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
Rom 14:19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
Rom 14:20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
Rom 14:21 It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
Rom 14:22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
Rom 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.


Many blessings in Jesus wonderful Name, your brother Larry.

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jeps901

I like your answer but it doesn't address the question. Romans 14 is not the blanket for this bed. Thank you for your response though.

Boanerges

Np.

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Boanerges

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Housesitter

Hi Jeps,
You seem to have missed the Welcome thread where most folk introduce themselves.
It is always interesting to know a little about new members.
Do take a moment to introduce yourself.
I see you are a Navy Chaplain. Are you based in The USA or are you at sea? Just curious.
Anyway welcome.

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Glomung

"Judaism and Christianity come from the same book (TORAH-BIBLE),
yet the beliefs are 180 degrees apart from one another. "

Not really true.
Most Christian practice is based on the New Testament. We
are freed from the Old Covenant and live in the New Covenant.

"How did Christianity grow so estranged from Judaism when
the Messiah was a Jewish Rabbi, the Gospel was to go out
to the "Jews first", and not to the Gentiles (MAT 10:5-7)."

He was not "a Jewish Rabbi" he is "God in the flesh". He went first
to the Jews because God the Father had a covenant with them. It was
only after refusal on the part of the Jewish leadership that the door
was opened to the gentiles.

"How did the biblically ordained festivals like Yom Kippur,
Sabbath and Passover get replaced by unbiblical festivals like
Christmas, Easter and Sunrise Service which are all rooted in
Pagan tradition and history?"

Christmas was originally set at that time to compete with pagan festivals,
a way to keep the followers out of trouble. Later it became mixed with
traditions from various countries and now commercialized to the point that
it's hard to recognize. Easter was the "best guess" as to the date.
There is nothing pagan about sunrise services. It's just starting the day
with God.

"What is the biblical reason Judaism discounts the authenticity of Jesus?"

The Jews have always looked for a Messiah that would conquer all non-Jews and make them (the Jews) the rulers of the physical world. Since Jesus did not destroy their enemies, but instead said to "love your adversary" the Jews would have none of it. Jesus did not fulfill their notion of what the Messiah would be, so thay have refused him to this day.

My 2 cents, Glomung

Boanerges

These are the only requirements the apostles laid on the gentiles"
Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
Act 15:25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
Act 15:26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Act 15:27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
Act 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

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Kŗ

We are under a new covenant which Judiasm fails to recognize. They deny the divinity of Christ and for that reason they are not saved. How can a man be saved except through the blood of our savior? The man cannot be saved any other way, they live in denial which is why we should pray for them to come to repentance before it's too late.

jeps901

I understand being under the blood of Christ but and the basics of salvation but, if the Old Covenant has no more spiritual influence and Calvary sealed everything for us, shouldn't the Old Testament be taken out of the Bible then?

Are the followers of Judaism damned to hell? (I'm not Jewish)

Here is a question, what is the biblical (Torah) reason Judaism do not accept Jesus, and lets start systematically working this thing out.

Before you jump to conclusions let me express I am a believer, but over the past 15 years I have the opportunity to work with clergy of all faiths and have thouroughly researched belief systems for myself with hands on assistance from experts as my occupation.