Theophilus

Every word from God profits a man. . . There is much in the OT that is benificial to the Christian. Heritage, history and understanding come from the OT. It is the OT that gives foundation to the NT.
And it is not for us to concern ourselves with the salvation of others individualy or as groups.
If they stand it is that God makes them stand not that they stand or fall on their own or by law. To question(judge) another's salvation is to question(judge) God ,for ALL salvation is by God.
I ,for one , Don't believe it good to be going there, doing that.

Sincerely
Forhim
Cliff

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2Co 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

Boanerges

2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

1Co 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Co 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
1Co 10:5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
1Co 10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.


Heb 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

All scripture is important- if one has eyes to see tht one can find Christ from cover to cover. Types, shadows, revelations into His nature. Obedience and inheriting the promise by faith. Disobeying, not trusting God and missing His will and blessing- I will keep the Old Testament in my bible thanks!

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Anything that dims my vision for Christ, or takes away my taste for Bible study, or cramps me in my prayer life, or makes Christian work difficult, is wrong for me; and I must, as a Christian turn away from it. – J. Wilbur Chapman

daniel_1012

We lost those things because so many other branches have been grafted in for all kinds of different trees (cultures). However, when a Christian can celebrate said traditional Jewish holidays, it is a pleasure. We just don't have the traditions that the Jewish people did. Those holiday's were deeply woven into their culture.

Jesus didn't call all men and women everywhere to observe holiday's and continuing practice of Jewish tradition... He called us to believe on Him for eternal life, no matter where we were at.

Quite simply the reason we have lost the holidays, is because in contrast to the message of Christ... they are insignificant. I'm not saying they are useless, because they can help us rememeber (as was their intent), but the reason we have "lost" these holiday's is simply because that's what happens when you graft random, seemingly totally different tree branches onto the Jewish tree.

We share the nourishing sap, which is God Himself, from the tree to which we are grafted... but we, as branches, are very different. We are gentiles with our own customs and culture. The Jewish holidays are for the Jews to remember what God did for them. Should we so adapt those to ourselves, so be it... but it is it necessary? I do not believe so.

Romans 11:13-20 [NIV]


13I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I make much of my ministry 14in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches. 17If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18do not boast over those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in." 20Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid.

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Daniel 10:12 [KJV]


Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words.

Who am I

It’s all summed up for me with this.

Mat 5:17Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfil.

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Blessings to all

Jeremiah 29:11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the LORD,
thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope.

daniel_1012

"True Jews" convert to Christianity... that's the way I see it.

Revelation 2:9
I know your afflictions and your poverty—yet you are rich! I know the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.

The answer is simple. There are none that come to the Father accept through Jesus, the Messiah. He is not the Christian Messiah... He is the Messiah, period. That means orthodox Jew and Gentile. A person cannot attain admittance from sin into Christ accept by Christ. If one has not believe upon Jesus for their eternal heritance, then by God's Word, I cannot say that they are going to heaven.

Jesus is necessary for ALL PEOPLE'S salvation. We are born in sin, but through God's gift, we can be IN CHRIST.

The OT should not be taken out, God forbid. It is the OT that tells us of our Messiah. Jesus is all over the OT, for those who care to understand.

God didn't just *spring* Jesus on the Jews all of a sudden, out of the blue, and think, "Oh, I'm going to try something new." No! Jesus is ALL OVER God's Word, from the beginning, too the end. If the OT should be thrown out, then why would Paul, the other apostles, and Jesus Himself reference it? The OT is equally important as the NT. The NT is simply the next chapter in God's grand plan--the time after the phrophecied Messiah. Why would you throw out half of a book? What is the second half without the first half? Remember... it is not merely a book... it is the truth. It is history, and Jesus is all over it for those who care to understand.

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Daniel 10:12 [KJV]


Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words.

Housesitter

Jeps. A number of us have noticed that since joining the forum you have only posted in this, your own, thread.

You have not taken the time to introduce yourself even though it was suggested to you.

You are seeking discussion about a topic about which you say you have done research for 15 years.

This leads to the question of why you joined the forum.

Have you come here to 'educate' the rest of us?

Have you come to promote a specific agenda?

Please help us to understand your motivation.

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