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Old 10-28-2006, 01:00 AM   #1
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There are some who will pray for their healing for years and never be healed. Not only do they have faith, but, friends, pastors and prayer warriors are all laying hands on them and praying for their healing. But, their healing never happens so the conclusion is that it is Gods will for that person to be ill.

I don’t believe that it is Gods will for that person to be sick. I don’t believe that it is Gods will for that person to be in pain. God did not give you that illness and he is not giving you your pain. But, he is allowing it to remain.
I believe he is doing that because he is waiting for the person who is ill to make a change or do something.

While faith is the key ingredient for your healing, it is not the only ingredient. There are two more and they are love and trust.

If your healing is not happening, you need to look inward and ask yourself: “How can I give him more of me?” You need to ask yourself: “Do I truly have a relationship with him, or have I ignored and neglected him up until the time I needed healing?”

If you completely give yourself to him, not just in word, but in spirit and in deed, he will care for that which is his. What that means is that you do not just give him Sunday. You must make every day his day and you must act like you are in church at ALL times. To truly give yourself to him, you must spend every day with him.

There are some people who have been given the gift of healing. Those who possess that gift have enough faith and love to call down healing on anyone regardless of that person’s level of faith.
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I believe that in our walk with God, He chooses whats best for us. He heals some in an instant (like how he healed and He heals others through a much slower process. Sometimes, it is the struggles and the pains that brings us to our knees in a more deeper and open way. Hence He allows us to grow like a baby and learn from the basics.

Mark 8
22 And he cometh to Bethsaida; and they bring a blind man unto him, and besought him to touch him.
23 And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought.
24 And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking.
25 After that he put his hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly.
26And he sent him away to his house, saying, Neither go into the town, nor tell it to any in the town.


The healing of the blind man in Bethsaida could have been done in an instant by his Creator, but why all the wait and different approach. Jesus has a different way healing different people. He knows them inside out. Through the healing and blessings, instant or gradual, God wants us to have an eternal perspective, and our struggles in this world are what lead us to take the more realistic view -- an eternal view -- of life.
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These things sound nice to believe, but there is little support from them in the Bible. The unexplainable fact remains that if God is truly omnipotent, he can prevent all suffering and pain. The most common response to this is that people, not God, cause their own suffering, but (1) the Bible and life are replete with instances in which God hurts people for no apparent reason (many innocent people throughout history have suffered unimaginably through no fault of their own and research repeatedly shows there is no positive correlation between prayer and healing) and (2) again, if God is omnipotent, he can create a world in which people need not suffer at all. We are left with the inescable conclusion that he chooses to allow people to suffer and the unanswerable question of why. The only explanation is the alogical: God works in mysterious ways. Perhaps so, or perhaps we twist interpretation of scripture and common sense until it becomes possible to ignore the most obvious possibility: there is no God looking out for us.
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These things sound nice to believe, but there is little support from them in the Bible. The unexplainable fact remains that if God is truly omnipotent, he can prevent all suffering and pain. The most common response to this is that people, not God, cause their own suffering, but (1) the Bible and life are replete with instances in which God hurts people for no apparent reason (many innocent people throughout history have suffered unimaginably through no fault of their own and research repeatedly shows there is no positive correlation between prayer and healing) and (2) again, if God is omnipotent, he can create a world in which people need not suffer at all. We are left with the inescable conclusion that he chooses to allow people to suffer and the unanswerable question of why. The only explanation is the alogical: God works in mysterious ways. Perhaps so, or perhaps we twist interpretation of scripture and common sense until it becomes possible to ignore the most obvious possibility: there is no God looking out for us.
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There are some who will pray for their healing for years and never be healed. Not only do they have faith, but, friends, pastors and prayer warriors are all laying hands on them and praying for their healing. But, their healing never happens so the conclusion is that it is Gods will for that person to be ill.

I don’t believe that it is Gods will for that person to be sick. I don’t believe that it is Gods will for that person to be in pain. God did not give you that illness and he is not giving you your pain. But, he is allowing it to remain.
I believe he is doing that because he is waiting for the person who is ill to make a change or do something.

While faith is the key ingredient for your healing, it is not the only ingredient. There are two more and they are love and trust.

If your healing is not happening, you need to look inward and ask yourself: “How can I give him more of me?” You need to ask yourself: “Do I truly have a relationship with him, or have I ignored and neglected him up until the time I needed healing?”

If you completely give yourself to him, not just in word, but in spirit and in deed, he will care for that which is his. What that means is that you do not just give him Sunday. You must make every day his day and you must act like you are in church at ALL times. To truly give yourself to him, you must spend every day with him.

There are some people who have been given the gift of healing. Those who possess that gift have enough faith and love to call down healing on anyone regardless of that person’s level of faith.
Jimmy,

Does God ever anatomically heal amputees by using "Those who possess that gift [who] have enough faith and love to call down healing on anyone regardless of that person's level of faith" ?

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There are some who will pray for their healing for years and never be healed. Not only do they have faith, but, friends, pastors and prayer warriors are all laying hands on them and praying for their healing. But, their healing never happens so the conclusion is that it is Gods will for that person to be ill.

I don’t believe that it is Gods will for that person to be sick. I don’t believe that it is Gods will for that person to be in pain. God did not give you that illness and he is not giving you your pain. But, he is allowing it to remain.
I believe he is doing that because he is waiting for the person who is ill to make a change or do something.

While faith is the key ingredient for your healing, it is not the only ingredient. There are two more and they are love and trust.

If your healing is not happening, you need to look inward and ask yourself: “How can I give him more of me?” You need to ask yourself: “Do I truly have a relationship with him, or have I ignored and neglected him up until the time I needed healing?”

If you completely give yourself to him, not just in word, but in spirit and in deed, he will care for that which is his. What that means is that you do not just give him Sunday. You must make every day his day and you must act like you are in church at ALL times. To truly give yourself to him, you must spend every day with him.

There are some people who have been given the gift of healing. Those who possess that gift have enough faith and love to call down healing on anyone regardless of that person’s level of faith.
This idea that God always allow people to suffer because of their sins, because they are lacking faith or needs to change something in their lives, is not supported by the Bible! Study the book of Job and you will see that this way of thinking was condemned by God. When Jobs "friends" were trying to explain why Job had to suffer so greatly. They tried to explain it with the fact that he suffered because of his sins or because he had done somthing wrong and had to change. Job on the other hand could not see that he had done anything wrong and this intensified his burden greatly that his friends told him it was his own fault that he was tormented when nobody could point to what he had done wrong. The fact was that he was blameless. Sometimes we just have to accept that we don't understand why we suffer, but God has made a promise that he will be there with us and carry us through the pain.
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This idea that God always allow people to suffer because of their sins, because they are lacking faith or needs to change something in their lives, is not supported by the Bible! Study the book of Job and you will see that this way of thinking was condemned by God. When Jobs "friends" were trying to explain why Job had to suffer so greatly. They tried to explain it with the fact that he suffered because of his sins or because he had done somthing wrong and had to change. Job on the other hand could not see that he had done anything wrong and this intensified his burden greatly that his friends told him it was his own fault that he was tormented when nobody could point to what he had done wrong. The fact was that he was blameless. Sometimes we just have to accept that we don't understand why we suffer, but God has made a promise that he will be there with us and carry us through the pain.
All the talk, "proclamation," "claiming," "release of Faith," "anointing," and babbling speculation means nothing if material healing is not demonstrated.

Jesus demonstrated material realities for all of His verbal promotions.

Are "Faith Healers" able to ever do the same, or just come up with excuses and "teaching" to cover their failures?

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All the talk, "proclamation," "claiming," "release of Faith," "anointing," and babbling speculation means nothing if material healing is not demonstrated.

Jesus demonstrated material realities for all of His verbal promotions.

Are "Faith Healers" able to ever do the same, or just come up with excuses and "teaching" to cover their failures?

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I actually believe that many people are healed for real, some by God and (hold you breath) some by the devil. The reason why I think that is because Satan and his demons are the ones that are causing all the suffering and sickness and so they are able to stop the harassment if they so choose. Why would they have a desire to do so? Well, we are told in scripture that Satan will deceive the whole world with tricks and magic and he (his workers) will appear as an angel of light. It might seem as if those miracle-workers are getting their power from God, when it might as well be Satan. Lets face it Satan is not a silly little cartoon figure, he was after all the highest of Gods created angels and he will use every trick available in order to get as many souls he can. And by showing people all these miracles people will automatically think that God is behind that particular pastor or movement...

II Cor. 11:13-14 - For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
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