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Old 02-18-2008, 08:29 PM   #51
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only God kills the spirit,more powerful beings manipulate things and control us with temptation etc.weak spirits do weak things,the weaker the spirit the more they need Jesus and God.i don,t believe God controls the governments,or advertising would be banned.you have a evil spirit,mind bending christian children to do awful things,then wants us to give them the death penalty.i don,t agree.
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Old 02-19-2008, 12:42 AM   #52
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For the record, I support the death penalty and am proud to live in a state that enforces it.


Since people want to know Biblically if it should be supported or not, I looked up some info in google about what scriptures are given to support it. I haven't read through the links, but here you go. I have not attended a church that preaches either way on the issue.

Baptist Press - Death penalty biblical, not vengeful, Southern Seminary's Moore says - News with a Christian Perspective

Pro Capital Punishment Page

Capital Punishment: Three Good Reasons for Supporting the Death Penalty

Capital Punishment

Policies of religious groups towards the death penalty
It was great seeing your article! When I first started reading these I thought of Texas and of how they discovered GOD in death row. I am not suprised that these people found GOD, after all, they will be seeing HIM shortly.

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Old 02-23-2008, 01:44 PM   #53
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Pamela there is an east way to understand it- the original text clould be accurately rendered" thou shalt not murder". That is not the same as executing justice or being at war.
Really?? So if I kill someone with the thought: "Yeah, wait a seconde! I'm at war! or I'm executing justice!" I can go free? NO! killing is killing, there's no difference. The only difference there could be is when you "initiate" it, or when you defend yourself. That's what I think. But killing in war is juts as bad and killing for justice is wrong, because you judge people and it's not our place to do so.
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It might be helpful to read an analysis as compiled by Steven W. Cornell, a noted Biblical authority, Pastor and lecturer. I am remaining neutral on this subject personally, but I am providing this text ( with the permission of the author ) for those who wish to evaluate the scriptural implications to a higher level.


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The first time I wrote about the death penalty, I was amazed at the volume of letters responding to my column. I was especially perplexed by the number of Christians who wrote to oppose my position. These people mistakenly think that being a Christian requires that they oppose the death penalty. Yet Scripture clearly supports the practice of capital punishment.

In cases of premeditated murder, God requires capital punishment. God said, “Whoever sheds man’s blood, by man his blood shall be shed, for in the image of God he made man.” (Genesis 9:6) The phrase “sheds man’s blood” is a euphemism for death. The first use of it in this verse refers to an act of murder. The second refers to just punishment of a murder. We must not confuse or equate an act of murder with the just punishment of a murderer. One action is a criminal; the other is a God-ordained function of the human government.
Some people wrongly dismiss this teaching because it comes from the Old Testament. But while some parts of the Old Testament are not directly applicable today (like the regulations given to Israel to guide them as a nation), the requirement of Genesis 9:6 was not given to Israel. It was pre-Mosaic law and based on the way God created humans. In this sense, it is a creation ordinace. It was not based on culture or national identity and the New Testament reaffirms Genesis 9:6 in Romans 13:1-4.
Others wrongly conclude that Christ’s law of love rules out divine approval of capital punishment. It is argued that in the New Testament believers are commanded to love their enemies, not execute them (Matthew 5:38-45). Since Jesus taught nonresistance, not revenge, and since Christians are commanded to forgive as Christ forgave, how could one reconcile capital punishment with such teaching?
Simply stated, Jesus was not teaching about the response of government to lawbreakers. If his teaching was meant to be applied to criminal justice, it would rule out all punishment and contradict clear biblical teaching about the divine role of government to punish evildoers (I Peter 2:14). Jesus is teaching against issues of personal revenge, not civil justice.
Those who say that retributive justice contradicts forgiveness have misunderstood biblical forgiveness. God forgave us not because he was big-hearted enough to overlook our sin, but because Jesus was willing to bear the death penalty for our sin.
On occasions, I am asked how I can reconcile my pro-life position with my support of capital punishment. Both positions (pro-life and pro-capital punishment) endorse the sanctity of human life by opposing deliberate acts of homicide.
Scripture emphasizes that life is precious because humans are made in God’s image. Therefore, those who willfully take the life of another must forfeit their own lives. This is a punishment that fits the crime and a Christian perspective on capital punishment. When this judicial procedure is abused through discrimination or inequities in due process, there is a need for revisions in the judicial system, not elimination of the death penalty.
The death penalty is needed to protect civilized society. Elimination of the it would lead to a barbaric society. Those who willfully take the life of another must sacrifice their own lives. Some killing is unjust and we call it “murder.” Other killing is just and this we might call “self-defense” in some cases and “just punishment” in others.

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Really?? So if I kill someone with the thought: "Yeah, wait a seconde! I'm at war! or I'm executing justice!" I can go free? NO! killing is killing, there's no difference. The only difference there could be is when you "initiate" it, or when you defend yourself. That's what I think. But killing in war is juts as bad and killing for justice is wrong, because you judge people and it's not our place to do so.

Don’t mean to interrupt, but I noticed you said “killing is killing, there’s no difference.”
But then you talk about the difference being when you “initiate” it, or when you defend yourself.

Now I’m assuming, and I may be wrong, that what you mean by initiate and defend would be that it is perfectly right and legal to defend yourself to the point of killing someone in order to save your life.

I was wondering what your thoughts were on defending others?
The way I see it… if I’ve got a gun and I see someone starting to shoot innocent people, I’m going to shoot that guy, and I’m probably going to aim for the head. I think it’s perfectly right and legal to kill in defense of others. In a scenario like that one, the other guy is committing murder, and I am killing a murderer. In most cases, I believe there is a big difference between “murder” and “killing”.

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Really?? So if I kill someone with the thought: "Yeah, wait a seconde! I'm at war! or I'm executing justice!" I can go free? NO! killing is killing, there's no difference. The only difference there could be is when you "initiate" it, or when you defend yourself. That's what I think. But killing in war is juts as bad and killing for justice is wrong, because you judge people and it's not our place to do so.

Biblically speaking that is completely correct- God ordered many a war in the Old Testament and He also gave rules regarding the execution of murderers. I can appreciate you feelings about this subject put God puts things in order for a reason.
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The Bible makes provisions for the death penalty...

Isaiah 1:21 How the faithful city has become a harlot! It was full of justice; Righteousness lodged in it, But now murderers.

Acts 28:4 So when the natives saw the creature hanging from his hand, they said to one another, “No doubt this man is a murderer, whom, though he has escaped the sea, yet justice does not allow to live.”

I purposely avoided the laws of moses, because there are some who do believe we are still bound by it, and some who do...

Also both verses hit the whole point of the death penalty...Justice.

There is something else that needs to be addressed...how it's carried out.

Leviticus 20:2
"Say to the Israelites: 'Any Israelite or any alien living in Israel who gives any of his children to Molech must be put to death. The people of the community are to stone him.

Deuteronomy 21:21Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.

In the "Bible Days" the people were largely a part of the execution...the whole village took part...no vigilantism...or revenge killings...simly a jusified execution.

Yes, I am for the death penalty...better that an innocent person meet his/her maker than for their evil to spread...like it does today.

As for sending a lost soul to hell for all eternity...

Prayer is the only way to reach them...many of them are demoniacs...some are just plain sick. They are provided a reverend at their final moments for a last chance to repent...Many have already made their choice, and have hardened their hearts. You can't force someone to change their heart...only God can do that.

Another thing that I feel must be addressed is the mis quote of Exodus 20:13You shall not murder. It say's murder...not kill.

Murder is a term used for people who are innocent...or unjustly killed. You can kill animals and you can kill trees...but you can't murder them.

Killed is used frequently in the Bible. Usually during war, or a justifiable killing...Murder is without justice.

It seems petty, I know. But it one of my biggest pet peeves. I kill weeds...not people. If I were to kill my neighbor, it would not be called killing...it would be called murder. Plain & simple murder.

If a person was attacking me & I killed them in self defense, it would not be called murder because of the intent, not the outcome.
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Personally, I think that if someone murders another person, then they themselves should be given the death penalty. But I know that God would not want that.

What are you talking about? God commanded the death penalty for murderers. And many other offenses actually. The Death penalty is very Biblical.

I strongly support the death penalty. I think it should be used much more liberally. Especially against Child Molesters. There should be no second chance for anyone who offends against a child. Instant death penalty.
God can show mercy to them in the afterlife if He wants to, but I don't want them alive in this world.
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Old 02-24-2008, 12:07 AM   #59
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I too have little tolerance for child molesters, the only thing that tweaks at my conscience is that almost all abusers have been abused themselves as children, this circle of violence only ends at the Cross.
I hate death, the death of any human goes against what God intended, I understand, and see the justice in a murderer having to forfeit their own life, but I still hate it.
I believe in Jesus and what He did, paying the ultimate price by giving His life, and I pray so much that more and more people will see their need of Him and repent and believe.
As for war, we have a God given right to protect the lives of those in our nation against those that would try and dominate us.
Again it isnt what God wants, but He allows us to protect ourselves, even if it means the death of the aggressors, it is all about motives of the heart.
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