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Old 01-30-2008, 06:36 PM   #31
 
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The sad fact is that there are people out there in the world who are using Christianity as a permission slip to treat any and everybody any and every way that they want to.

That's not following Christ, that's following themselves. They're the NOs (Christians in Name Only) that I talked about in another thread...but they believe that they're doing the right thing by forcing their views and opinions onto the rest of the world. This is my bible, they say, it tells me how to tell you how to live.

But the Christians are out there taking the punishment for this type of behavior. I need Christ in my life now, because I've experienced a huge loss just recently. So in a restaurant, before we went to the morgue, I prayed before we ate. When I opened my eyes, there were people glaring at me in the restaurant. Glaring.

This isn't because of what I did. This is because those people, at some time in their lives, were hurt by NOs. NOs become angry in the Word of God. They scream. Their faces get red if people don't grab a picket sign and join them (rather than Christ).

This poor kid has been chased away from God's love and Christ's salvation by the very people who are declaring that they live by the Word. And if we're chasing away people who might not otherwise chose to believe...then whose works are we performing? God's? Jesus never chased anybody away from God's Word, and neither should we - as Christ's followers. Where's our punishment going to lie in our hour of judgment? It's horrible to think about!

That's why I say I'm believing in my bible as it applies to me. Not as how I can see how it applies to anybody else on the planet. If I live my life by these rules in the good book...it's going to show in my life. People are going to wonder how I got what I have. They're going to want to have a little light of their own around them all the time. And that's when I can tell them of Christ Jesus and salvation and God's love for His children.

By making the bible apply to ME, and not assuming that because I'm a Christian I'm automatically exempt from some rules that I'm reading...it's my chance to gain more followers of Christ - NOT followers for myself.

I hope a Christian (not a NO) gets in contact with this kid and explains to him the difference between a Christian and an NO.

I pray Christ has mercy on those who are out there chasing away potential followers and giving Christianity a bad name for their own name's sake.
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Well I kinda see where he's coming from in the first part. Christians tend to disrespect homosexuality and I'm very much against disrespecting homosexuals. I think it's aweful how christians sometimes speak of them, it makes me physically sick. So I understand his point, I don't want to be confronted with it on that part either.

But also, when you're forced by your parents to do certain things, teenagers (like me, that's why I know haha) tend to do the exact opposite, so probably he doesn't like christianity because it was forced on to him
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No, that's what I mean. That's why I do understand his point, shame he puts it like that though
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Ya know what??
You got to pull a chain gently if you want to get it moved properly

You can pull or carry it. But a chain doesn't push.
Try it some time.
It's the same way with people
You push them and they go every direction but the one you push them in.
You carry them and when you put them down they are a tangled mess that doesn't go any farther.
You jerk it or snap it hard and it will break at it's weakest link.
But pull it steadily in the direction it needs to go and you will get it there
So it is with people.
The young man at the begining of this thread was never guided but constantly pushed. Unforunately, all too often in the churches today that is what is being done.
People are either being pushed or carried and in either case they rarely get to where they need to be because of it.

"Raised in the church" has become a worse issue for many that never having known the Lord at all.

Why ???
Because all too many push their children rather than lead them or teach them in the way they should go.
Why???
Because they use them to display their self rightousness before the church.
If I offend then I offend but parents that force their children into early commitment and baptism and only concern themselves with appearances more than the welfare of the children are sacrificing their own flesh and blood to look good.

No child should be baptized before the age of 12. There is no biblical present for it. Nothing is gained until the child is old enough and mature enough to truely understand and commit themselves to the LORD. David was a teen and Jesus himself was 12 years old before becoming involved in his father's business.
Jesus said "do not hinder the children from coming to me" He didn't say," tie them to the cross before they know that it is" .Where does anyone get the idea that adolecent baptism and forced participation does anything but impress the foolish and foster rebelion on the captive child???

Infant baptism is ignorance. Infant detication is only as good as the parents conviction and determination to follow through with it's promice.
You want to raise a protical ???? Bind them to the church separate them and hold them there until you can't hold them any longer and they will get as far from you and the church as they can just as soon as they are are able.
But remember this one thing
Not all make it back!!!

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