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Boanerges · 10-10-2007, 03:26 AM

Love always comes first. Sometimes love is unconditional acceptance. Sometimes love is discipline but always done in love- love comes first.

Theophilus · 10-10-2007, 09:55 AM

Ya know what??
You got to pull a chain gently if you want to get it moved properly

You can pull or carry it. But a chain doesn't push.
Try it some time.
It's the same way with people
You push them and they go every direction but the one you push them in.
You carry them and when you put them down they are a tangled mess that doesn't go any farther.
You jerk it or snap it hard and it will break at it's weakest link.
But pull it steadily in the direction it needs to go and you will get it there
So it is with people.
The young man at the begining of this thread was never guided but constantly pushed. Unforunately, all too often in the churches today that is what is being done.
People are either being pushed or carried and in either case they rarely get to where they need to be because of it.

"Raised in the church" has become a worse issue for many that never having known the Lord at all.

Why ???
Because all too many push their children rather than lead them or teach them in the way they should go.
Why???
Because they use them to display their self rightousness before the church.
If I offend then I offend but parents that force their children into early commitment and baptism and only concern themselves with appearances more than the welfare of the children are sacrificing their own flesh and blood to look good.

No child should be baptized before the age of 12. There is no biblical present for it. Nothing is gained until the child is old enough and mature enough to truely understand and commit themselves to the LORD. David was a teen and Jesus himself was 12 years old before becoming involved in his father's business.
Jesus said "do not hinder the children from coming to me" He didn't say," tie them to the cross before they know that it is" .Where does anyone get the idea that adolecent baptism and forced participation does anything but impress the foolish and foster rebelion on the captive child???

Infant baptism is ignorance. Infant detication is only as good as the parents conviction and determination to follow through with it's promice.
You want to raise a protical ???? Bind them to the church separate them and hold them there until you can't hold them any longer and they will get as far from you and the church as they can just as soon as they are are able.
But remember this one thing
Not all make it back!!!

Sincerely
Cliff

JohnathanAmber · 10-10-2007, 03:23 PM

I can understand where this young man gets his robust dislike for Christians. Many things throughout history were done in the name of Christ which obviously weren't due to His command.

And many Christians are very disrespectful to other sects of religion or groups.

When I see Christ, I see tolerance with justice. Christ accepted everyone for who they were but allowed justice when it was needed. I tend to 'try' to do the same. As Christ was the only perfect one ever, we can only try to be like Him in our walk with Him.

A lot of people see tolerance and think of compromise. I see it differently. Compromise if accepting someone elses religion, where tolerance is accepting that person and not their religion. I am tolerant of others, not their religion or faith. God loves everyone, why can't I love everyone too?

God bless,
Johnathan

Beloved · 10-11-2007, 01:00 AM

Heah there, I am a Hugger from the Lord. I would like to sit in a dark corner at church but the Father wants to hug everybody.

At my last Church I noticed some people especially teenagers and little boys, didn't appreciate it. So I stopped.

At my new church their is a teenage girl who loves and welcomes my hugs and wants more.

At my old church there is a really sweet elderly man and his wife that give like 5 to 10 minutes hugs while sometimes praying in tongues. I love it! I feel Gods love and affection through this couple hugs.

So to each his\her own.

Beloved

violet · 10-11-2007, 06:35 AM

Well, it is sad that this teenager looks at the bad of Christianity and not God in it~
I will say, there are self righteous and judgmental Christians.
Those I speak of are not only behaving this way toward unbelievers but other Christians as well.
Some have lost the focus of what being a Christian really is.
To turn from it though because of others' behavior is a cop out.
And I am ONLY referring to the teen in the original post.
There are the bad and the good in every religion.
I wonder if this same teen stopped listening to music because some is violent, or stopped watching movies become some are sexually perverted, or stopped eating because there are many people who abuse that too, becoming gluttonous and injuring their health, dying, raising medical costs.........

We can find ANY excuse we want to avoid God, Christ, Christianity.............

Also, God is ALL about love.
We can show Christ's love without accepting a person's lifestyle.
Yes, many Christians do mistreat unbelievers, I have seen it!
And as Ban pointed out, mistreat other believers too.

Christ's existence was and is for the sinners!

We all need to refocus our walk, daily.
Are we really trying to help the gay person, the druggie, the alcoholic, the rude neighbor, etc. find Christ or do we avoid them instead thinking only of our own salvation?

Boanerges · 10-11-2007, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by violet

Well, it is sad that this teenager looks at the bad of Christianity and not God in it~

Anytime one looks at the people they will be dissapointed- truley that boy needs to look at Jesus.

hoppers · 10-28-2007, 05:35 PM

this makes me so sad. because i see the girl i used to be in that boy... if only he could experience the love of christ and that amzing things that he does... but nothing people can do can make him a believer thats up to him.. and him only. God is there for him and he wants him but the boy has to take the steps himself... *sigh*

EmsyBear · 01-30-2008, 07:34 AM

The words used by this young person sound like my brother. He's 22 and has walked away from the faith that he had.
He would say he was forced to be involved in church. He has a respect for Christianity and for his family's belief, but chooses not to believe it for himself.
I can kind of understand what is being said.
I love the Lord with all my heart, soul and mind. BUT, God has done something in my life. If a young person has not given themselves to the Lord sincerely, and has lived using their parents faith as their own (does thet make any sense??), then how can we expect them to continue in their own - they haven't got one!

I have a 5 year old who comes to church with us and we teach him Christian principles. At the moment he is covered by us, but at some point he will have to make a decision for himself. It will grieve us if he walks away, but we have planted the seeds hoping and praying that he will grab hold of Jesus and not let go!

Boanerges · 01-30-2008, 01:03 PM

We all come to the place fo decision but still do not give up. God has a way of bringing those things we learned into remembrace and he may yet bring your brother into His kingdom!

BreathOfGod · 01-30-2008, 02:34 PM

I was talking to the youth pastor at my church the other day and he mentioned that he and his wife had read that somewhere along the lines of 50% of young people who attend youth ministry end up leaving and turning away after the graduate highschool and go to college. Then he went on to tell me about what he is working on doing to combat that figure in our own church.

I would be curious to know what the number is of people who have fallen away, but then later return at some point in their life. The teachings of God and the Bible do stay with us. Just because a youth has a falling away at period in their life, doesn't mean that they will forever be lost. I am not saying that it is a good thing that they go through this time in their life. It certainly can be very damaging to them and cause a lot of future heartache.

I have read that the Amish have a thing called rumspringa where at the age of 16, they allow the youth to experiment and try out the world. At the end of a period of time, the youth must decide to leave the Amish faith, or return and be Amish. They say that something like 80 percent do return. Again, I am not saying that any of this is a good thing. I just would be curious to know how many of our youth who fall away also return.

It is ideal that no one should have to go through those dark times in life that pull us away from our faith. Unfortunately, many of us do have them. They are not things we are proud of. If we know someone who is going through one of these, all we can do is love them and pray for them. We can not tie people up and force them to submit.

10-11-2007, 01:00 AM	#24 (permalink)
Beloved Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: West Posts: 1,346 Rep Power: 2	Heah there, I am a Hugger from the Lord. I would like to sit in a dark corner at church but the Father wants to hug everybody. At my last Church I noticed some people especially teenagers and little boys, didn't appreciate it. So I stopped. At my new church their is a teenage girl who loves and welcomes my hugs and wants more. At my old church there is a really sweet elderly man and his wife that give like 5 to 10 minutes hugs while sometimes praying in tongues. I love it! I feel Gods love and affection through this couple hugs. So to each his\her own. Beloved __________________ Shalom ( SHALOM says: Completeness, wholeness, health, peace, welfare, safety soundness, tranquility, prosperity, perfectness, fullness, rest, harmony, the absence of agitation or discord. ) Beloved 1 Corinthians 14:1 Let Love be your highest goal.

10-11-2007, 06:35 AM	#25 (permalink)
violet Join Date: May 2007 Location: England Posts: 8,175 Blog Entries: 13 Rep Power: 10	Well, it is sad that this teenager looks at the bad of Christianity and not God in it~ I will say, there are self righteous and judgmental Christians. Those I speak of are not only behaving this way toward unbelievers but other Christians as well. Some have lost the focus of what being a Christian really is. To turn from it though because of others' behavior is a cop out. And I am ONLY referring to the teen in the original post. There are the bad and the good in every religion. I wonder if this same teen stopped listening to music because some is violent, or stopped watching movies become some are sexually perverted, or stopped eating because there are many people who abuse that too, becoming gluttonous and injuring their health, dying, raising medical costs......... We can find ANY excuse we want to avoid God, Christ, Christianity............. Also, God is ALL about love. We can show Christ's love without accepting a person's lifestyle. Yes, many Christians do mistreat unbelievers, I have seen it! And as Ban pointed out, mistreat other believers too. Christ's existence was and is for the sinners! We all need to refocus our walk, daily. Are we really trying to help the gay person, the druggie, the alcoholic, the rude neighbor, etc. find Christ or do we avoid them instead thinking only of our own salvation? __________________ Violet Matthew 10:38 ....he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

10-28-2007, 05:35 PM	#27 (permalink)
hoppers Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kentucky Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	this makes me so sad. because i see the girl i used to be in that boy... if only he could experience the love of christ and that amzing things that he does... but nothing people can do can make him a believer thats up to him.. and him only. God is there for him and he wants him but the boy has to take the steps himself... sigh __________________ here i am to worship here i am to bow down here i am to say that you're my God ill never know how much it cost to see my sin up on that cross

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10-10-2007, 03:26 AM	#21 (permalink)
Boanerges Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: St Rose LA Posts: 16,667 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 18	Love always comes first. Sometimes love is unconditional acceptance. Sometimes love is discipline but always done in love- love comes first.

10-10-2007, 09:55 AM	#22 (permalink)
Theophilus Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 728 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 2	Ya know what?? You got to pull a chain gently if you want to get it moved properly You can pull or carry it. But a chain doesn't push. Try it some time. It's the same way with people You push them and they go every direction but the one you push them in. You carry them and when you put them down they are a tangled mess that doesn't go any farther. You jerk it or snap it hard and it will break at it's weakest link. But pull it steadily in the direction it needs to go and you will get it there So it is with people. The young man at the begining of this thread was never guided but constantly pushed. Unforunately, all too often in the churches today that is what is being done. People are either being pushed or carried and in either case they rarely get to where they need to be because of it. "Raised in the church" has become a worse issue for many that never having known the Lord at all. Why ??? Because all too many push their children rather than lead them or teach them in the way they should go. Why??? Because they use them to display their self rightousness before the church. If I offend then I offend but parents that force their children into early commitment and baptism and only concern themselves with appearances more than the welfare of the children are sacrificing their own flesh and blood to look good. No child should be baptized before the age of 12. There is no biblical present for it. Nothing is gained until the child is old enough and mature enough to truely understand and commit themselves to the LORD. David was a teen and Jesus himself was 12 years old before becoming involved in his father's business. Jesus said "do not hinder the children from coming to me" He didn't say," tie them to the cross before they know that it is" .Where does anyone get the idea that adolecent baptism and forced participation does anything but impress the foolish and foster rebelion on the captive child??? Infant baptism is ignorance. Infant detication is only as good as the parents conviction and determination to follow through with it's promice. You want to raise a protical ???? Bind them to the church separate them and hold them there until you can't hold them any longer and they will get as far from you and the church as they can just as soon as they are are able. But remember this one thing Not all make it back!!! Sincerely Cliff

01-30-2008, 07:34 AM	#28 (permalink)
EmsyBear Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Norfolk, England Posts: 24 Rep Power: 0	The words used by this young person sound like my brother. He's 22 and has walked away from the faith that he had. He would say he was forced to be involved in church. He has a respect for Christianity and for his family's belief, but chooses not to believe it for himself. I can kind of understand what is being said. I love the Lord with all my heart, soul and mind. BUT, God has done something in my life. If a young person has not given themselves to the Lord sincerely, and has lived using their parents faith as their own (does thet make any sense??), then how can we expect them to continue in their own - they haven't got one! I have a 5 year old who comes to church with us and we teach him Christian principles. At the moment he is covered by us, but at some point he will have to make a decision for himself. It will grieve us if he walks away, but we have planted the seeds hoping and praying that he will grab hold of Jesus and not let go!

01-30-2008, 01:03 PM	#29 (permalink)
Boanerges Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: St Rose LA Posts: 16,667 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 18	We all come to the place fo decision but still do not give up. God has a way of bringing those things we learned into remembrace and he may yet bring your brother into His kingdom!

01-30-2008, 02:34 PM	#30 (permalink)
BreathOfGod Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 621 Blog Entries: 9 Rep Power: 1	I was talking to the youth pastor at my church the other day and he mentioned that he and his wife had read that somewhere along the lines of 50% of young people who attend youth ministry end up leaving and turning away after the graduate highschool and go to college. Then he went on to tell me about what he is working on doing to combat that figure in our own church. I would be curious to know what the number is of people who have fallen away, but then later return at some point in their life. The teachings of God and the Bible do stay with us. Just because a youth has a falling away at period in their life, doesn't mean that they will forever be lost. I am not saying that it is a good thing that they go through this time in their life. It certainly can be very damaging to them and cause a lot of future heartache. I have read that the Amish have a thing called rumspringa where at the age of 16, they allow the youth to experiment and try out the world. At the end of a period of time, the youth must decide to leave the Amish faith, or return and be Amish. They say that something like 80 percent do return. Again, I am not saying that any of this is a good thing. I just would be curious to know how many of our youth who fall away also return. It is ideal that no one should have to go through those dark times in life that pull us away from our faith. Unfortunately, many of us do have them. They are not things we are proud of. If we know someone who is going through one of these, all we can do is love them and pray for them. We can not tie people up and force them to submit.