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This is how i see it. Like simply having a drink, simply having a girlfriend isnt necessarily wrong. You can do either without sinning. But when you push either of those too far with either drunkeness or sex you get into sin.

But at the same time, i guess you can simply have a drink or simply have a girlfriend and be sinning, if your intentions arent in the right place.

Theophilus

How does that kinda prayer go????


Hey god I know your all busy and all but could ya drop the needy, the faithful and the suffering or a couple hours and keep an eye out for me and my buds while We destroy braincells ,put ourselves and others at risk to do something realy dangrous and stupid for the fun of it?????

Young man ,God is not something you put on like a force feild
before you go do the wild thing and then trash when your done.
I apologige to any one who may have read this line this morning. What was said was crude and extreem ( sincerely cliff)
Yea, it's a bundle of laffs alright, watching your freind's eys go dull as he breaths his last or wiping the blood off your shirt when you not even sure if it's yours of not.

The doctors and police and para medics have a party picking up bodies and or trying to put them back together before the life blood drains out them.

Oh yea. . . And I don't a mom and dad in the whole world that don't look forward to waiting up all night to see if they still have a son or daughter when the sun comes up the next morning. Or that wouldn't jump at the chance to idenify one of their own in the morge. Or can't wait give up everything they've worked for all their lives to keep their child alive or out of prision for the rest of their life.
And who wouldn't just love to be changing the boys diaper and carrying him to bed at 60 or 70 or maybe visiting a vegatable in the nursing home and looking through teary eyes for somthing of life in their loved one.

And if all that ain't enough there always waken up the next day (if your lucky) hearing your hearbeat when it sounds like some one beating a base drum inside your head, the splitting headach, the nausia, ohh yes!!!the shakes. . .gotta know the shakes are fun, right???? And all the while wondering what in the hell you might of done the night before and who all knows about it.
It just don't get any better than that does it????


BTW
Happy birthday


Soberly his and yours for
9 years 7 months and 12 days.

Cliff

Kevin

Hi Mark,

I believe you already know what the correct thing is to do but you are looking for approval of some sort from Christian brothers. Do not look to man for approval but to God. What does God want you to do in a situation like this?

I believe He wants you to shine your light and be an example to your freinds. You might be under peer pressure to make your freinds happy. This is where the rubber hits the road as a Christian, do we follow the pressures of the world or do we stand firm in Christ and set an example to others?

Remember you might have an opportunity later to bring one or all of your freinds to Christ.

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Isa 9:6 For to us a Child is born, to us a Son is given; and the government shall be on His shoulder; and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Boanerges

Mark as always the bible says it best:
Rom 13:12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armor of light.
Rom 13:13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
Rom 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfill the lusts thereof.

If that was the last thing you did before you stood in front of Jesus how would you feel about it? That is a good way to gause something, afterall the Master is worthy of our best.

Esther462

When I turned 18, I didn't touch a drop of alchol but for my 19th, I had 1 small glass of wine with my meal and I had a pounding head ack the next day and I had to go to church and do the Sunday School. Not good.
I surjest you just stay off the alchol and enjoy the night with your friends.

The 22nd of December is an important day for me too. 15 years since I 1st met my ex-foster family and they are still part of my family. Man how time flyes.

Note: The 22nd December is a Saturday and remeber what you have to do the next day.

Boanerges

Born2LoveYou

Very good point!

Would be rather embarrassing going to Church with a hangover or still drunk from the previous night, (depending on how much you drank)

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Yikes.

Whirlwind

When I turned 21, I could legally drink. And I did.

I meant to stop, but just didn't get around to it for a long, long time. It became habit. Then necessity.

I became homeless and I had nothing. I didn't even have shoes that summer, it was horrible! I felt like nobody (even God) cared. But He did...

One night I heard a song by T. Graham Bell (think that's his name), called Wine to Water.

You've heard a multitude of prayers on my behalf
I pray one more is not too much to ask
I tried to fight this battle by myself...
but it's a war that I can't win without your help

Tonight, I'm as low as any man can go
I'm down and I can't fall much farther
Once upon a time you turned the water into wine
Now on my knees I'm turning to you, Father

Could you help me turn the wine back into water...

I cried while listening to that song. I tried to think back to how it all started. Where did it all begin for me? Was it the first drink? The second? Was it my birthday?

No. It was the last drink I took. It keeps going, following me around. A demon in a bottle, and I was under its spell.

I fell to my knees and I prayed for God to help me.

Today I have my cars, a job, a new house, money in the bank, and it's all things that He has given to me. Most of all, I have Him in my life. He's always there. I feel Him there. I'm an alcoholic, still, while sitting behind my laptop stone-cold sober. I'm still an alcoholic. I'm weak, and I can't do this.

But with God, He gives me strength. He makes it possible for me to resist alcohol. There was one time when I would declare to the world that I loved alcohol more than anything else in the world...and at the time, I thought it was true. I would do anything for it. It made me feel good.

Today, I love Jesus more than anything else in the world.

Be careful, my friend. Satan can be anywhere in this world, even hidden under the cap of a bottle.

God bless you.

Mark_18

Ouch.

I'm talking about having a few drinks, not getting drunk. And I've been there, done that. I've almost killed and almost been killed, I've been around so much gang violence. I've left those friends, and am much safer now. I'm done with that scene and now the decision is just if a couple drinks is a bad idea.

Esther462,

You got a headache from 1 glass of wine? Maybe you're allergic?

I will make plans along the lines of a restaurant and then some fun activities, this way if drinking is involved it's a couple at a restaurant and that's it. I will do my best to enforce my decisions too.

Kevin,

I would love to bring them to Christ. How great that would be.