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Old 01-26-2008, 02:54 AM   #1
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Default Please hear me out.

I have been a sinner my whole life. I've been an atheist. I know this site is for christians only, but i want so hard to change, I want so hard to believe. I have read the bible, but I still need help. It doesn't speak to me. I have lived morally, i have not hurt another man, I have not been dishonest or evil. I may have abused alcohol, and other substances. I may have had relations before marriage, but am I condemned to hell without question? Please don't ban me for this.

How do you believe? How do you do it? How do I give up everything for that which I cannot experience?
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I have been a sinner my whole life. I've been an atheist. I know this site is for christians only, but i want so hard to change, I want so hard to believe. I have read the bible, but I still need help. It doesn't speak to me. I have lived morally, i have not hurt another man, I have not been dishonest or evil. I may have abused alcohol, and other substances. I may have had relations before marriage, but am I condemned to hell without question? Please don't ban me for this.

How do you believe? How do you do it? How do I give up everything for that which I cannot experience?
No one is condemned to hell without question unless he has committed the one unpardonable sin.

Coming to Christ is simple. 1) Confess that you are a sinner. We are all sinners, and all of us have sinned. None of us are perfect, and coming to Christ will not make you perfect. But you must first confess that you are a sinner. 2) Believe that Jesus died for your sins. 3) Ask God to forgive you of your sins and to cleanse you from unrighteousness.

Other than this short answer to a couple of your basic questions, you asked other questions which take much more typing and talking about. You mentioned reading the Bible and it not speaking to you. You mentioned not understanding how to believe when you feel that you cannot experience it. I added "feel" in there, because it isn't that you can NOT ever experience any of it, it is just that at this moment you are feeling as though you are unable.

Someone recently joined this forum and had some similar questions. His thread is getting long, but it really might be beneficial for you to read through.

I will tell you that normally non-Christians cannot join this forum, and when you joined you had to check a box stating that you are a Christian. I am not telling you this to make you feel badly or anything. You will see that the member in the thread I am linking you to did the same. Joining under false pretenses is a rule violation, and could get your thread closed and other things, so a moderator will probably have to take your case under consideration like you will see happened with the other member. I am not a moderator.

Here is the thread you should read through: Click here.
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Old 01-26-2008, 03:36 AM   #3
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I might suggest a rule change. Why not let non Christians join if they are honestly seeking answers? As long as they are sincere and honest about wanting to change… I can only see good things come from it. It would be very easy to pick out someone who starts to cause problems and ban them when and if it happens, but if we were having a closed meeting at our Church and an atheist came knocking on the door wanting to know God… well, there’s no way we would turn him away.

Anyway… just a thought.


As for you civilpunch, yes… you lied. Guess what? I couldn’t tell you how many times I lied before, but you came clean with your first post. That’s good, but you should try to get down on your knees and ask God for forgiveness. Start asking Him to forgive every sin you ever did. You could even go through them one by one. If a past sin comes to your mind, ask God to forgive you. I do it all the time. Even after years of being a Christian, sometimes something will pop into my head that I did in the past. When that happens, I ask for forgiveness. You might not feel any different right away. It took a long time to get to where you are now, it may take a long time to start feeling different.

Don’t ever give up

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Old 01-26-2008, 04:18 AM   #4
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may have had relations before marriage, but am I condemned to hell without question? Please don't ban me for this.

How do you believe? How do you do it? How do I give up everything for that which I cannot experience
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I recently joined this forum. I am a Christian. For me it all began one cold night when my life was falling to pieces and I was living my life my way.
I realized I could no longer live life my way. My way just kept bringing me more heartache , hurt and pain. I just asked Christ to forgive me and to come into my heart. I told him I wanted him to live in me. That was 4 years ago. I have experienced so much since then. I have found since asking him into my heart, my life has changed. I am still a work in progress, I feel we all are. I like you had relations before I was married.
Looking where I am seeking growth in my life, I realize it has come to the point where I want to be pure. I never really understood the bible until I asked Jesus to come into my heart and life. After doing that so much makes sense . I looked to my Pastor and close friends for guidance.

I read alot and listen to Joyce Meyer every morning. Just tonight I experienced God's blessing. It was late and on my way home from my second job. My mind was wandering and I was in a rush. I did not completely stop at a stop sign. Turned right. There was a police man going the other way , he turned around, started following me. and sure enough the big red flashing light came on. I pulled over right in front of my driveway! Now mind you, I had been talking on my cell phone, (illegal in NY) it was on speaker phone though. , my seatbelt was not on, and my drivers license had not been updated to my new address. The policeman came up, shined the flashlight on me and my windshield to check the registration. He said to me, can you do me a favor, can you just be sure to stop completely next time at the stop sign? He said the college kids are out and about and we would not want anyone to get hurt. I said yes sir thank you very much. He walked away, I pulled in my driveway, shut the car off and prayed and thanked God. My point is.. when we start living in faith and living in obedience.. and when we mess up.. (we are all sinners.. yes Christians too!).. God is there and blesses us when we don't even deserve it. You see the 4 hours I just worked at my part time job, could have been eaten up by a fine. .. but instead I have been praying to the Lord for my financial situation.. for him to guide me.. and help me.

He blesed me with the part time job.. I went to work and he sees my efforts.. and he blessed those efforts .. and blessed me with the officer pulling me over.. to remind me to slow down and obey.. I did not get a fine, only a warning.. hmm. That is what God does.. he warns us, he loves us and he protects us.


The message in church recently told us that even though we are Christians we are still going to have persecution and suffering.. but God will bring us through it all. When I was not living in God's obedience, my life was so out of control.

Now I read in the bible in regards to Sexual purity.. and I see the consequences that folks in the bible had.. and I have seen the consequences in my own life.. and they are not pretty..

Your life will change,, you will be able to experience many moments of joy and peace.. See a Pastor, send a Private message to one of the Pastors here. (like Dean said.. I hope they don't ban you.. I agree Dean.. folks can tell if someone is stirring trouble).

I will be praying for you..

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heya Civil, to be totally honest mate. I couldnt relate to what you written any more than i do! I am in the exact same boat as you mate, and do ya know what, ive only been signed up to this forum for like 3/4 days, and everyone here has been so supportive and so helpful and already made me think about the way i apporach everything. Read the thread i started in the advice section, there is so much good advice there.

But most of all, stay positive, dont be like me. Dont focus on the negative, cause u will never get anywhere. Look at all the good things, focus on the positive experiences, and most of all. Be truthfull, to yourself, to what you believe, and to everyone you talk to. Because we are all human, we all make mistakes. Because we are not meant to perfect.

So stay chipper mate it helps, it REALLY does. And keep posting, because it will help more and more. Also, if u ever wanna chat, i think it could help both of us having someone to talk to who is in the same boat. So drop me a PM or a reply here

Hoping to hear from ya

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(p.s. in reply to stuff written above. I know it is against the rules to have Non Christians sign up. And i TOTALLY understand this being your sanctuary from all the thoughtless moronic mob that is Forum Trollers. But putting up a sort of non christian section for people to ask for advice might be a cool idea. Then if they seem genuine upgrade them to have access to the rest on the forum. I understand though (Have been a forum admin before) its alot of effort, but food for thought none the less and soz for the annoyance in general)
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I might suggest a rule change. Why not let non Christians join if they are honestly seeking answers? As long as they are sincere and honest about wanting to change… I can only see good things come from it. It would be very easy to pick out someone who starts to cause problems and ban them when and if it happens, but if we were having a closed meeting at our Church and an atheist came knocking on the door wanting to know God… well, there’s no way we would turn him away.

Anyway… just a thought.


This has been asked before. Here is a copy of a previous reply from the moderator team. I have highlighted the key section


Other Christian based forums have experimented with that forum feature, but unfortunately, the access has been used by spammers and bashers to infiltrait forums and to mine membership data, bash members and cause significant problems.

That is the primary reason that CFS disallows non-Christian members (except in very rare cases - and on a case by case basis.) We maintain order here and those persons who do register falsely to creat havoc - have their IP address logged, are banned and their ISP is notified of their activities. Some false registrants have lost their ISP provided intenet connection as a result of their lying, bashing and mining of data. The Staff here at CFS takes this matter very seriously and the tools that we use to maintain order are some of the very best available.

There is a Forum Feedback Form that any non-Christians can use to request a trial membership once they give a reason and are evaluated by the Administration. Again, this is done on a case by case basis, but it does happen now and then. There have been several cases where non Christians have spoken with CFS members here while on probation and have received enough solid, scriptural information from our established members to be saved through their acceptance of Jesus Christ.
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I also feel that we need the security of knowing that we are all of one Spirit.
I share things here that I wouldnt share anywhere else, because I feel we share the same understanding and love.
If there were non-christians many may appear to be seeking, but actually want to cause problems.
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I also feel that we need the security of knowing that we are all of one Spirit.
I share things here that I wouldnt share anywhere else, because I feel we share the same understanding and love.
If there were non-christians many may appear to be seeking, but actually want to cause problems.
To be perfectly honest, I’ve been keeping my eye out. I couldn’t tell you for sure that everyone is of one Spirit. And the fact is, anyone who is into witchcraft wants to disrupt the plans of God. There are many cases where people involved in witchcraft have joined Churches just to disrupt everything. They usually try to get into some sort of leadership position. Being the leader of a prayer team is one of their favorites. They can cause a lot of problems. Many have caused Church splits. Why couldn’t it happen to this forum? Think about it… the men who flew the planes into the twin towers… they were walking among us here in the states and nobody knew. Someone who just wants to cause problems is easy to pick out, but someone who wants to do some serious damage? Not so easy.

And just for the record, I don’t think civilpunch is here to cause problems.

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repent your sins to Jesus,then pray and ask for guidance.
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