heydave

I have herd (heard) many opinions, yet I see no scripture addressing the prime subject.

Are we not still either of an evil nature because of the original fall and separation ( of Adam and Eve ) or because, even as Christians we still sin willfully ???

Quote me scripture that refutes the Bible itself , the below verses.


1. Matthew 7:11 (New American Standard Bible)
"If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give what is good to those who ask Him!

2. Matthew 12:34
" You brood of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak what is good? For the mouth speaks out of that which fills the heart.

3. Luke 11:13
" If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him?"


Mark 10 (New American Standard Bible)

17As He was setting out on a journey, a man ran up to Him and knelt before Him, and asked Him, "Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?"

18And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.

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Please give me some scripture.

Disprove Mark 10:18 >>>>>>> NO ONE IS GOOD EXCEPT GOD ALONE.

dave

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Banarenth

Is that what we were supposed to be doing? Disproving scripture or at lest some interpretation? Why?

I think my statements stand on their own, at least in reference to the direction the thread ultimately went. But I can't argue your point because I don't really disagree with you. The heart is spitefully wicked. We desire evil. We desire sin. We desire many things which are not good for us. That's why veggies are yuckies and Twinkies aren't, though I've always felt if evolution were REALLY correct, we broccoli should taste like cupcakes.

But, must we embrace evil? Even our greatest goodness is still evil when compared to a Holy God. But does that mean we ARE evil? I guess it's yet another symantics thing for me. I see evil as irredeemable. It is evil and always will be and there is no hope. But we have hope. Christ proved that it's possible to not sin and not be evil.

adoptivemommy

Hi heydave!

Sorry to be disappointing, but I can't offer exact scripture and verse. I can, however, tell you this:

Whether you believe it or not, or agree with it or not, born again Christians are NOT evil! When we accept Christ, our spirit becomes instantly saved! Our soul, however, which is the combination of mind, will and emotions, becomes pure gradually. We may think evil things, we may even do them, but we are NOT evil. You've got to learn to distinguish the difference between who you are and what you do. When you become saved you ARE THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD IN JESUS CHRIST!! However, while you're growing and the seed of righteousness that has been planted in you at the moment of salvation is growing, you may still be saying or doing some of the stuff you said or did before salvation. The difference, especially in the beginning of your walk, is that now you have the ability and willingness to see your wrong and repent, thus growing little by little every day. Evil people don't repent! They don't even know or recognize that they are evil! They are blind and deceived. Change does not come over night and Jesus does not expect us to change over night. He just expects us to have a willing heart, full of desire to become like Him! You might take in consideration the fact that when Jesus told that parable and said "you who are evil", no one had yet had the chance to become saved. That did not happened until after Jesus' resurrection. So yes, those people were evil because they had not yet had the opportunity to choose Christ and become saved. The enemy had not been defeated yet, the key of death, hell and the grave had not been taken from him yet. Am I making any sense to you? I hope I am because it is the truth. We are NOT evil and we are not SINNERS anymore! We may do evil and sinful things, but we repent, get cleansed and move on. The "who" is who we are in Christ and what we do will NEVER change that, as long as we admit the wrong we've done and repent!

Laura

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smellycat

we disobeyed God and believed chicken boy .now chicken boy is tricking us all through this life.do God commands ,beleive jesus is your salvation and repent your sins,ask God to open your eyes ,then you will see what chicken boy is doing.chicken boy uses you to do his work.

JesusReignsForever

Oh and FYI you cant disprove the word of God! That would make God a liar and we all know that isnt possible

JesusReignsForever

PRRRRRRFECT SENSE TO ME!

adoptivemommy

Thank you, Kitty...(prrrr...)

Laura

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Boanerges

Paul said it all (heh that ryhmes!)
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

The old man rotten ,the new man good- die to self be alive to God in Christ and you will see the new- if not all you have is a dead man trying to improve himself- the old whitewashed tomb syndrome.

I have seen scripture and opinion based on scripture on this thread- very enjoyable -thanks all- brother Larry

violet

PreciousMessage

An excellent question which needs to be explored.

Yes, by nature we are all evil. That's an easy question followed by multiple scripture. It’s not difficult for the EVIL angels to represent both saints and sinners, we cannot be naive to this situation. Even Judas fooled the disciples, “Is it I?” Yet Jesus washed his feet, Oh, what unconditional love?

EVIL means more than the obvious, Bad people. Yet bad people can be deceiving in our outward evaluation. It can mean by extension (as a friend). Raah. It also means (associate selves and show SELF friendly). Aram in the Hebrew. Can you believe the word? One can show themselves to be friendly yet in actuality be an enemy!

In other words, SELF is evil, or the enemy of all evil.

When the snake was labeled by God as subtle, He said that the enemy, the snake was “smoothness” (aram). … The message of the cross is not always smooth, it may be difficult and rough. The cross is not always beautiful in one’s eyes, but “offensive” as the scripture states.

In conclusion, “Self” is evil. One author concluded:

Getting Rid of Self.—It is quite generally recognized that “self” is the great thing that stands in the way of Christian progress, and that it must be denied and put away. Accordingly we hear people express the determination to get rid of self, so that the Lord may have a complete possession. But too many forget that they themselves cannot put away self; for it is obvious that when self attempts to put self away, self will remain all the time. Self is sin, and only Christ can put away sin. He hath appeared to “put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.” Heb. 9:26. He “gave himself for our sins that he might deliver us from this present evil world.” Gal. 1:4. Only the power by which he “emptied himself,” can empty us of self. Let us rejoice that he is abundantly able to do it, and simply yield ourselves to him, that he may work his own will in us.” End Quote
“Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord” (Rom. 6:11).

“For a bishop must be blameless … not selfwilled … (Titus 1:7).

Even Christ lived by faith and by the will of the Father, getting rid of His own will or self. “… not to do My own will …” (John 6:38).

“But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness … Presumptuous selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil …” (2 Peter 2:10). Parallelism is assumed in this verse.

It can be remembered in Romans 9 that the condition of Israel according to the flesh were those who were called Israel. They are “accursed from Christ.” They “followed after the law of righteousness,” but did not attain to righteousness, because they sought it not by faith, but by works. The Gentiles, therefore, gained the precedence over them, because they sought righteousness in the right way, by faith dear friends. Thus fulfilled the words of Christ to the self-righteous Jews: “The publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you;” and again, “The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.” Matt. 21:31, 43.


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John