Boanerges

I have yet to see any evidence of that but I am willing to learn and will continue to read this thread- thanks Larry

mythsciencereligiontruth1

This is an interesting point. I think Jasher answered it quite well.

Something I'm considering: Hell is normally described either in parables or the apocalyptic books, as such in both fire usually denotes judgement, as in God will refine something through fire to make it pure.

Fire is also a sign of God's wrath.

One thing's for sure, I don't want to find out and luckily once we place our faith in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Saviour, we won't have to

JohnathanAmber

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DaveS

I'm confused. Did he have a really vivid vision of hell? I don't recal reading he died.... just that he was screaming in the livingroom for a good 20mins while his wife held him close.

So, he either had a vision from God, or he died and actually went to hell. I was always under the impression that once you go to hell, there is no getting out. The fallen can not be saved.....

JohnVK

He was probably taken or caught up in the spirit like Paul (2 Corinthians 12:2-4) and John (Revelation 4:1-2). The difference is that he was not taken to Heaven but to Hell.

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Jasher

Hi Larry,
I think there are three different dimensions of existence. Spirit, permanent body, and temporal body. The Trinity has existed forever in the spiritual realm - until Jesus took on the body of a man. All beings exist in the spiritual realm - it is our basic, essential, and eternal state of being, which never changes. Where ever we exist we will always be basically a spiritual being whether we are in a body or not. Spirits can be interfaced into a body. I assume this is to be able to be seen and touched and to have substance that can interface with matter.

The angels are spirits that have been interfaced into a permanent incorruptible body. Obviously, they are shape shifters and can become anything they want to be. We may have entertained angels unawares - who knows.

We of course have a temporary body - a corruptible body, which will pass away. God has promised the Christian one of these new incorruptible bodies - like the angels now have. Jesus also has an incorruptible body like we were promised and like the angels have. Those humans who love evil and have chosen to abandon God will remain in the spiritual realm when they die forever.

I think there is a lot of confusion between the word soul and spirit. The soul is the expression of our being. It is the seat of our emotions, our reasoning power - where our personality exists. Animals have a soul and a body. They also have personality, emotion, intelligence, reasoning power to a limited amount.

If you list the characteristics of an animal and also those of the human being and subtract the former from the latter you can see the contribution of the human spirit. Mostly the human spirit brings moral consciousness, language, superior reasoning, and God consciousness. The soul is not a separate entity, but rather an interface between the body and the world - in the case of animals. In humans the soul is the interface between the spirit and the body to the world. When the body dies the soul dies.

I'm not sure about the fallen angels having their original permanent bodies - they seem to be able to move things around - like levitation and they often appear to certain people, but I haven't really understood if it is possible for a spirit to be able to interface with matter - I don't think so, but I just do not know.

Some say that Christians that have died now have their new bodies but the Bible seems to say that this will not happen to all the people of God until the last day when he gathers all his people including those who are alive and remain. I guess I believe the latter, but I Still have big gaps in my understanding - but this is how it stands this week.

Boanerges

Thanks for your thoughts Jasher.

smellycat

hell is thinking your a good person on the outside but you have not addressed your inside from immpurities,as jesus says clean the inside then you can help.

VictoryInKC

(Please bear with me, I'm new to this forum and this is my first post)

I just wanted to add to I think a good definition of Hell would be: "Total separation from God."

mythsciencereligiontruth1

This is a good observation. Perhaps some people deceive themselves. Who would pour something precious into a dirty receptacle? Clean the receptacle then it is worthy to receive what is pure.

VictoryInKC: That certainly sounds like hell to me. For the three hours that the darkness covered Jesus' suffering on the cross it is said that for the first time Jesus experienced total seperation from God.

Without God there is no hope, there is no light, there is no love.

Whilst we have the light, we should live in the light.